Metal Reviews

Newest and Best Metal Reviews!
FAQ :: Search :: Members :: Groups :: Register
Login
It is currently Fri Jul 04, 2025 9:36 am



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 94 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next   

Listen to it?
Ja 64%  64%  [ 14 ]
Nein 36%  36%  [ 8 ]
Total votes : 22
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:05 am 
Offline
MetalReviews Staff
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:02 pm
Posts: 29896
Location: UK
Oh, there'd be plenty of complaints about pro-Stalinist lyrics, people bringing up the Holodomor, massacres of Polish intellectuals etc. Let's face it, ethnic cleansing is reprehensible whoever carries it out, but just because there's a war on is no excuse to round up large numbers of a certain people and shoot them, whether we're speaking of the Ukrainians doing it or the Soviets. Murderous fuckery sums it up pretty well for me, and yes, historically it's not such a great deal, but it's the efforts of bands like Drudkh to glorify such actions whilst sweeping the details under the carpet that rankles with me.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:28 am 
Offline
Metal Fighter

Joined: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:23 pm
Posts: 280
Location: Canada
Goat wrote:
Oh, there'd be plenty of complaints about pro-Stalinist lyrics, people bringing up the Holodomor, massacres of Polish intellectuals etc. Let's face it, ethnic cleansing is reprehensible whoever carries it out, but just because there's a war on is no excuse to round up large numbers of a certain people and shoot them, whether we're speaking of the Ukrainians doing it or the Soviets. Murderous fuckery sums it up pretty well for me, and yes, historically it's not such a great deal, but it's the efforts of bands like Drudkh to glorify such actions whilst sweeping the details under the carpet that rankles with me.


There would be complaints, but as many as when the NS card is thrown on the table? And if we cut it down to a battle of the ideologies, why is it that a band touting communist ideas is often seen in a more favourable (here meaning less likely to be attacked/cause controversy) than a band touting NS ideas or even making reference to them (realising that the ideas themselves are not dependant upon hatred)? I think the answer is pretty obvious, but also something to consider when people are answering this thread.

As for the case of Drudkh and Blood In Our Wells, again I'd still think that its something that needs to be taken into context. Yes, there is a glorification of such acts, but there is also the understanding that some people tend to see the ends as justifying the means. Some my not even take that into consideration, and simply see it as the support of movement that attempted to defend Ukrainian interests. What I mean by taking it into its proper context, in part, is that we can sit here comfortably and talk about these atrocities through reading a text book or doing a quick search on the internet, but none of us have been in any such situation. I really do think modern people, particularly those of us often plugged into the internet or whatever other gadget out there, have lost touch with life to the extent that we often talk about events as individuals completely removed from life and what life means in a time or place where we can't stand back as completely outside observers. Every nation has their heroes from politicians like the late Ted Kennedy, to Michael Jackson, to military leaders to athletes to the woman next door, and the reality is that many of these heroes' acts are swept under the carpet for the sake of heroism. We would have no national heroes if we didn't override some detail.

The interesting thing about Drudkh that very few others really do is, though, is that they really do give us a glimpse of a nations history whether in war, religion or art. Just look at the lyrics and the number of occasions they use examples of national poetry in their lyrics. Compare them even to the countless "viking" bands out there that continue to sing about the same things that never really delve further into mythology and history than what's popularly known. To me they are doing quite a good job of at least representing where they come from, and giving many outside listeners a taste of something they otherwise wouldn't have known much about. Whether you agree with the glorifying or not, the band should at least be commended for the degree to which their pride and desire to write about their nation's history goes considering the countless bands that simply sing about Perun or Svarog ten million times and call themselves a slavonic heathen band.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:44 am 
Offline
MetalReviews Staff
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:02 pm
Posts: 29896
Location: UK
I can see where you're coming from. I'd say bands that do have leftist lyrics tend towards the mild socialist stance rather than the out-and-out Stalin was awesome types, of which very few metal bands do exist. And I see why a band would want to glorify its culture, even to the point of the victory-in-war types, but is comparing driving away from a crime scene and abandoning a woman to drown really comparable to ethnic cleansing? Sure, events are glossed over, but what does it say about a nation that they're willing to? The denial in Japan over the rape of Nanking, for example. It's a different discussion, however, and I agree with your final point, that it's nice to see something different, and it is highly interesting from a historical POV whether I agree with said massacres or no.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:18 am 
Offline
MetalReviews Staff
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:01 am
Posts: 7711
Location: Leeds, UK
Sorry but does there actually exist anywhere in the world currently a metal band with sincere "Stalin was awesome" lyrics?

Honest question... would be interesting if there was.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:25 am 
Offline
Einherjar
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:01 am
Posts: 2130
Location: Here!
rio wrote:
Sorry but does there actually exist anywhere in the world currently a metal band with sincere "Stalin was awesome" lyrics?

Honest question... would be interesting if there was.


Perhaps this one?
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=124424

This could be another candidate:
http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=3540269010

The majority of bands than have lyrics about communism are southamericans, so more Che oriented than Stalin.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:27 am 
Offline
MetalReviews Staff
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:01 am
Posts: 7711
Location: Leeds, UK
:lol:

They have an album called "Totalitarism Now!". That's classy.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:28 am 
Offline
MetalReviews Staff
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:02 pm
Posts: 29896
Location: UK
Trouble is with Russians, they don't speak English, so reading the lyrics is a fuck.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:29 am 
Offline
MetalReviews Staff
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:01 am
Posts: 7711
Location: Leeds, UK
Ganesh's second band has some ENglish lyrics, I believe.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:30 am 
Offline
MetalReviews Staff
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:02 pm
Posts: 29896
Location: UK
Ooh, missed that, but I meant in general.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:31 am 
Offline
Einherjar
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:01 am
Posts: 2130
Location: Here!
Quote:
There can be no freedom
While the state exists

So comrades, march on
For the people's revolution

The bringer of democracy
Workers, free yourselves
From the chains of capitalism
To end all exploitation

Our unity is our strength
The end of class antagonism

The victory of communism
Shall heal all of our wounds

No religions, no races
No countries, no classes
To separate us anymore
Unity, at last

The power of the people
Communist triumph
deas, immortal

We pledge our lives
To the red banner

Bow to none

There can be no freedom
While the state exists

So comrades, march on
For the people's revolution

The bringer of democracy
Workers, free yourselves
From the chains of capitalism
To end all exploitation

Our unity is our strength
The end of class antagonism

The victory of communism
Shall heal all of our wounds

No religions, no races
No countries, no classes
To separate us anymore
Unity, at last

Our oppressors will fall
Just like the Romans
Turn against your rulers
No longer shall we suffer

United in friendship
United in labour
We face the greatest struggle
Dark days lie ahead

The hands of the people
Bring the revolution
With fire we cleanse
Those who oppose us

We march under the crimson banner
The red flag of the people

Victory is within our reach
Cheerful, united and strong

The unbreakable will of the people
Forever free and undying

No leaders, no masters
We are the ruling class


Jarost Marksa - United Under the Red Banner


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:42 am 
Offline
Einherjar

Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:52 pm
Posts: 2016
Communist black metal? :blink:
Any good?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:47 am 
Offline
Einherjar
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:15 am
Posts: 2232
Location: Flanders, Southern Netherlands
Wow, a whole new dimension of retardation!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:47 am 
Offline
Einherjar

Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:52 pm
Posts: 2016
Karmakosmonaut wrote:
Wow, a whole new dimension of retardation!

Why?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:55 am 
Offline
Einherjar
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:01 am
Posts: 2130
Location: Here!
Lucifer's Son wrote:
Communist black metal? :blink:
Any good?


I have not hear it. Just found it in metal archives


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:56 am 
Offline
MetalReviews Staff
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:02 pm
Posts: 29896
Location: UK
Quote:
Our oppressors will fall
Just like the Romans


Odd choice. Are the Romans remembered for ill in the Motherland?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:03 pm 
Offline
Einherjar
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:01 am
Posts: 2130
Location: Here!
Goat wrote:
Quote:
Our oppressors will fall
Just like the Romans


Odd choice. Are the Romans remembered for ill in the Motherland?


I think the Romanovs are best remembered for ill...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:05 pm 
Offline
MetalReviews Staff
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:01 am
Posts: 7711
Location: Leeds, UK
The Romans are just the archetypal imperial power that got too big for its boots, and was destroyed by little groups of independent "barbarians".

To be fair, with lyrics like

Quote:
There can be no freedom
While the state exists


they can't really be a pro-Stalin band... at least, not a pro-Stalin band gifted with formidable powers of observation.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:06 pm 
Offline
Einherjar
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:15 am
Posts: 2232
Location: Flanders, Southern Netherlands
Goat wrote:
Quote:
Our oppressors will fall
Just like the Romans


Odd choice. Are the Romans remembered for ill in the Motherland?

That scene from The Life of Brian where the People's Front of Judea scheme against their Roman oppressors does leap to mind.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:07 pm 
Offline
Einherjar
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:15 am
Posts: 2232
Location: Flanders, Southern Netherlands
Lucifer's Son wrote:
Karmakosmonaut wrote:
Wow, a whole new dimension of retardation!

Why?

"No leaders, no masters
We are the ruling class"

That kind of sums it up, doesn't it? :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:13 pm 
Offline
Einherjar

Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:52 pm
Posts: 2016
Karmakosmonaut wrote:
Lucifer's Son wrote:
Karmakosmonaut wrote:
Wow, a whole new dimension of retardation!

Why?

"No leaders, no masters
We are the ruling class"

That kind of sums it up, doesn't it? :lol:

Nope.

It's kind of silly but if we had to point to all silly lyrics in metal (of any kind) we would just do that on the whole forum...


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 94 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next   


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group