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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:36 pm 
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FrigidSymphony wrote:
The matter of opinion versus quality is oooold. Musicologists could argue for hours on end about it and give us all headaches (which they do). There's a potential editorial in some of the more superficial parts of the debate though, I'm sure.

Believe me, it's something that I ponder on a daily basis. An editorial over this subject would be great for the site, as long as there isn't already one written.


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Cain's offering is way better than this. Sounds more like Sonata arctica than sonata arctica. Get Cain's offering if you're looking for ecliptica or silence #2.


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Cain's offering is way better than this. Sounds more like Sonata arctica than sonata arctica. Get Cain's offering if you're looking for ecliptica or silence #2.


Bullshit. Cain's Offering doesn't hold a candle to Ecliptica or Silence. It's a cute album, but nowhere near fulfilling the potential that a Jani/Mikko album could have been. Talk about lack of soloing... And fucking Kotipelto's emotionless voice kills it. It's a good album, but nowhere near as good as The Days of Grays.

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 Post subject: Another disapointment...
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After hearing Flag in the ground I thought it might be worth checking out, but how wrong I was. I loved all albums before Unia, but with Unia I got such a big shock of its utter crappiness that I have not listened to any S.A after that. The only thing good about that album was that its title reflects extremely well what the album is. The album is so god awful boring that it will make you fall asleep (unia=dreams). This was a step in the better direction, but the songs are very boring and uninspiring. I don't see any future for this band. The best thing they could do is break up and perhaps some of the members will form some better bands... remember, without Helloween members leaving the band we would never have had Gamma Ray or Masterplan ;)


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After hearing Flag in the ground I thought it might be worth checking out, but how wrong I was. I loved all albums before Unia, but with Unia I got such a big shock of its utter crappiness that I have not listened to any S.A after that. The only thing good about that album was that its title reflects extremely well what the album is. The album is so god awful boring that it will make you fall asleep (unia=dreams). This was a step in the better direction, but the songs are very boring and uninspiring. I don't see any future for this band. The best thing they could do is break up and perhaps some of the members will form some better bands... remember, without Helloween members leaving the band we would never have had Gamma Ray or Masterplan ;)


Trust me! Cain's offering is really good! good memorable song structures, I wouldn't be surprised if Jani wrote many of the old Sonata songs off ecliptica or silence. If it were Kakko singing this, it would sound exactly like silence or ecliptica. Check it out, it is good.


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Why do people love Cain's Offering so much, Ive been seeing it everywheres like its the second fucking coming of power metal or some shit. I've listened to the album a few times and its solid but nothing special, kinda boring actually and its not even close to being on the same level as The Days of Grays, which isn't all that great either. Fuck, I don't mean to sound like a dick, but seriously Cain's Offering is not very good.

Flag In The Ground alone is better than every damn song off of Cain's Offering.


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Why do people love Cain's Offering so much, Ive been seeing it everywheres like its the second fucking coming of power metal or some shit. I've listened to the album a few times and its solid but nothing special, kinda boring actually and its not even close to being on the same level as The Days of Grays, which isn't all that great either. Fuck, I don't mean to sound like a dick, but seriously Cain's Offering is not very good.

Flag In The Ground alone is better than every damn song off of Cain's Offering.


I agree. Cain's Offering is kind of shit. Then again, so is Days of Grays.


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I think they put "r" in the album name by accident.

No but seriously, re-listened to this, and it's absolutely shit. Flag in the Ground is ok, but there is much much better power/prog metal out there, even the new Stratovarius is better than this, and I don't even like them. Sorry Elias, I don't want to take shots at you, but you seem kinda biased because of the impact they had on you back in the day.


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I think they put "r" in the album name by accident.


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I think they put "r" in the album name by accident.


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Yep :lol:

High five, Metal_xxx


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I think I'll pass. This band will never improve, and it really annoys me. Silence was my first power metal album I owned, and is still one of my all time favorite albums. Its a shame this is the crap they choose to put out now.


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steeltoe wrote:
Cain's offering is way better than this. Sounds more like Sonata arctica than sonata arctica. Get Cain's offering if you're looking for ecliptica or silence #2.


Bullshit. Cain's Offering doesn't hold a candle to Ecliptica or Silence. It's a cute album, but nowhere near fulfilling the potential that a Jani/Mikko album could have been. Talk about lack of soloing... And fucking Kotipelto's emotionless voice kills it. It's a good album, but nowhere near as good as The Days of Grays.



fucking Kotipelto's emotionless voice kills it.
..Interesting...

Listen to ...Morpheus in Masquerade....my favourite song of the year. so far ...... You want emotions...listen from the...3:41 mark...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-j2RSQu ... re=related


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That's a horrible song.


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Kotipelto just sounds bored throughout the entire album. His voice is flat (not tone wise, but diction wise), uninspired, and monotonous.

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flying_guitars wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
steeltoe wrote:
Cain's offering is way better than this. Sounds more like Sonata arctica than sonata arctica. Get Cain's offering if you're looking for ecliptica or silence #2.


Bullshit. Cain's Offering doesn't hold a candle to Ecliptica or Silence. It's a cute album, but nowhere near fulfilling the potential that a Jani/Mikko album could have been. Talk about lack of soloing... And fucking Kotipelto's emotionless voice kills it. It's a good album, but nowhere near as good as The Days of Grays.



fucking Kotipelto's emotionless voice kills it.
..Interesting...

Listen to ...Morpheus in Masquerade....my favourite song of the year. so far ...... You want emotions...listen from the...3:41 mark...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-j2RSQu ... re=related


This is actually really good.

I'm not a fan of Kotipelto's voice either, but lately the music he sings on is so damn refreshing. And yes this definitely sounds like old school Sonata, anybody who disagrees isn't listening to the music.


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There's a severe lack of solos, especially for a guitarist/keyboardist solo project, and the song structures are nothing like early Sonata (powerful melodic themes, for example). It sounds more like fucking Ari Koivunen as far as composition goes.

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There's a severe lack of solos, especially for a guitarist/keyboardist solo project, and the song structures are nothing like early Sonata (powerful melodic themes, for example). It sounds more like fucking Ari Koivunen as far as composition goes.


The structures sounds like early Sonata, but the choruses don't. I mean it, at times it sounds like I'm listening to Sonata with Kotipelto as a guest singer.

The melodies are so awesome on this. It's catchy, fast, I can't wait to get this. As I'm typing this there is an awesome guitar solo, fyi.


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FrigidSymphony wrote:
There's a severe lack of solos, especially for a guitarist/keyboardist solo project, and the song structures are nothing like early Sonata (powerful melodic themes, for example). It sounds more like fucking Ari Koivunen as far as composition goes.


The structures sounds like early Sonata, but the choruses don't. I mean it, at times it sounds like I'm listening to Sonata with Kotipelto as a guest singer.

The melodies are so awesome on this. It's catchy, fast, I can't wait to get this. As I'm typing this there is an awesome guitar solo, fyi.


I agree that it's a good album, i just don't think it's comparable at ALL to early Sonata, neither quality wise nor structure wise.

EDIT: Oh, the best parts are the instrumentals. I'll be reviewing it in a bit.

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There's a severe lack of solos, especially for a guitarist/keyboardist solo project, and the song structures are nothing like early Sonata (powerful melodic themes, for example). It sounds more like fucking Ari Koivunen as far as composition goes.


The structures sounds like early Sonata, but the choruses don't. I mean it, at times it sounds like I'm listening to Sonata with Kotipelto as a guest singer.

The melodies are so awesome on this. It's catchy, fast, I can't wait to get this. As I'm typing this there is an awesome guitar solo, fyi.


I agree that it's a good album, i just don't think it's comparable at ALL to early Sonata, neither quality wise nor structure wise.

EDIT: Oh, the best parts are the instrumentals. I'll be reviewing it in a bit.


I think you should let someone else review it.


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There's a severe lack of solos, especially for a guitarist/keyboardist solo project, and the song structures are nothing like early Sonata (powerful melodic themes, for example). It sounds more like fucking Ari Koivunen as far as composition goes.


The structures sounds like early Sonata, but the choruses don't. I mean it, at times it sounds like I'm listening to Sonata with Kotipelto as a guest singer.

The melodies are so awesome on this. It's catchy, fast, I can't wait to get this. As I'm typing this there is an awesome guitar solo, fyi.


I agree that it's a good album, i just don't think it's comparable at ALL to early Sonata, neither quality wise nor structure wise.

EDIT: Oh, the best parts are the instrumentals. I'll be reviewing it in a bit.


I think you should let someone else review it.


Why, because it might get a less-than-ecstatic review? You're welcome to give your opinion, and other reviewers can submit their scores. I try my best to be as objective as possible, even though I'm a Jani freak as well.

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