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Jesus fucking christ.

Beck isn't crazy, he's really good at pretending to be crazy for piles and piles of the long green.

Also why is it that you Englishmen are always up in arms about the bloody BNP? Americanos don't care about the Constitution Party, you shouldn't care about the BNP. They'll get elected in those weird local elections where nobody cares about the party affiliation, and maybe to the EU Parliament where they can do a whole lotta nothin' all day. Their chances of being a significant political force in the UK have not changed since Sir Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists.

But you do care about the KKK, amirite?



Facepalm.



Oh, because there were never riots back then or anything.

Not really, they don't do anything. They kinda just sit around and hate black people/jews/muslims/immigrants/whatever all day.



here's some sobering truth for you: they actually got less votes in that last election where a couple of them got elected than they did in the election before that one where none of em got elected. All the Labour voters staying home in droves did that, but it's not like that'll continue.



Riots = change! That's why Harlem was improved so massively after the Harlem Riots and is now a thrumming section of the city with considerable political influence, not a slowly gentrifying center of imbecilic hipsters driving out all the minorities.

Because Britain cares about the integrity of their political system and its elements?

Jesus. Nowadays, perhaps.



The fact that a fascist party is getting members elected should very much be of concern, however they got those members elected. How on earth is that sobering?



So riots are a good thing?

Gee, I missed the headlines of 'BNP MEMBERS LYNCH PAKISTANIS,' and 'BNP MEMBERS BURN SWASTIKA OUTSIDE PARLIAMENT.'



Because it's temporary! The BNP is not experiencing a meaningful upsurge in popularity according to the accumulated election data. They are, in fact, experiencing a downturn, but your media is turning it into a showdown of the clowns because there's not much else to talk about.

In the next election that is held the Labour voters will either hold their noses and vote Labour again or skip over to the Conservatives or Lib Dems and the BNP will not gain any important seats.



Yes, that is precisely what I said. What I said did not at all have the implications that riots are not a meaningful way to measure trends in politics.



he said, after a scandal in which MPs got the state to pay for the moats around their massive houses.

British people like overreacting and the media is encouraging them. That, and the immigrant population aren't playing nicey-nicey to the entrenched white working class like the white working class thinks they should.

MPs were involved in a scandal, they were found out and resigned in shame. Compare that to say, Italy, where the President keeps rewriting the constitution to give himself loopholes for his criminal activities, where his embezzling and abuse of tax money for private purposes is widely documented and well known and still ignored and accepted, and I'd say that Britain is damn well trying to keep the integrity in their system.

Compared to Italy, everywhere in the Western world has integrity in their system. That's like comparing a fried Goliath beetle to a McDonalds hamburger and concluding that American food is supreme.

We're trying to prevent it getting to the stage where BNP members are lynching people. They are violent thugs:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3894529.stm

And just because they're not actually lynching people doesn't mean that you can stick your nose up at them. You may say that it's temporary and things will even out again, but for the first time the BNP is in power in a significant way - something that the BUF never achieved - and whilst they won't be winning the general election any time soon, that creeping influence is dangerous on a local level.

I like than an American is accusing British people of overreacting and being encouraged to do so by the media, incidentally. Oh, and the KKK?

http://www.splcenter.org/legal/docket/f ... 9&sortID=2

Ok, granted, but the point is still valid. At least the guilty MPs were rooted out.

You completely ignored why they were elected. If their influence was, as you say, 'creeping,' they would have received more votes for office, wouldn't they have? Isn't that a fair thing to conclude? Now, what if they received less votes but another group received catastrophically less votes which got them out of the running? Would you say that this group has 'creeping' influence if their election was the result of a hilarious fluke and the vast majority of Brits think of them as crazy idiots and/or violent thugs?

Or is there just nothing else to worry about so you're worrying about this uselessly?



Yes, because I, as an American, am clearly representative of every other American who watches MSNBC or CNN or some other ridiculous nonsense, while I watch al-Jazeera if I bother to watch the news at all and read the Times.

When you can't make an argument against an individual, refer to the group that he is technically a member of, even if he shares no traits in particular with that group.



Hate group does hate group thing! Shock and horror. This is a matter for local police on the local police level. There's no more The Order or anything of that sort, really.

Not necessarily. People are debating why exactly they were elected - they claimed to sign up 3000 new members after QT went out - it's not going to be swastikas overnight, but there are enough idiots out there to elect them into positions where they can do real damage.



lol.



You claimed not two posts ago that they didn't do anything.

You should certainly take for true what a group of fascists claim about their membership. Not like historically speaking they are known to lie about such things.



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Exaggeration of mine. They don't do anything significant. They have as much influence on national politics as a dog has on Ban Ki-moon.

Their legal officer just threatened riots, for gods' sakes. Not being concerned by a white power movement that wants violence? Come on.



Every blow they strike is significant. Perhaps not over there where police officers getting shot barely makes the news, but hooligans tipping bins over is news here, as Hicks remarked.

The question is whether you think that they are actually gaining power or this is their brief moment in the limelight. I've concluded that it's the latter, fueled by resentment towards Muslims for being Muslims all across Europe and the Labour scandals.




My point exactly, you and your fellow countrymen enjoy overreacting.

You've clearly never had your bins tipped over.

I've been mugged, but my trash cans ain't never been tipped over, no.

First off, the BNP are doing better now because they have conspicuously (if probably not genuinely) mellowed. They now do everything they can to appear as a working-class party that just has a very firm anti-immigration policy.

Second, despite that, the idea that they have "no influence" on national politics is pretty ignorant, although entirely understandable if you don't actually live here. The BNP are a key part of the massive move rightwards within UK public opinion on race-related issues.

If anyone watched Question Time the other day, you will have noticed how EVERYBODY on the panel accepted Nick Griffin's argument that there are far too many foreigners coming into the UK. Hardly anybody accepts the BNP as a solution, but the "problems" the BNP have been bringing up over and over again- their entire raison d'etre- is now mainstream opinion. And a large part of the reason for that is the way in which they've managed to so totally sell their narrative that there is this massive resentful "silent majority" of put-upon "white working class" people that are fundamentally disenfranchised by our "ultra-leftist multicultural elite".

If you need any better example of the extent to which their line of argument is now generally accepted, how about the fact that the latest yougov poll (I nearly posted the link here yesterday, but couldn't be arsed so you'll have to google it now) shows that 37% of Green Party voters agreed with the statement "all further immigration into the UK should be stopped".

No it is true, we have not quite reached the stage of such visibly, cross-burningly braindead rightwing thuggery over here as you are so priveleged to have a history of in the US. But the whole idea of trying to write off the British far-right is totally dense and betrays an ignorance of the current climate in UK politics.

As ever, rio strides calmly where my drunken brain struggles to stand upright. Everything he said.