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UK Election 2010 - Whither goest thy vote, sirrah?
Labour Party (Gordon 'Pa Broon' Brown) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Conservative Party (David 'Posh' Cameron) 29%  29%  [ 2 ]
Liberal Democrats (Nick 'Awesome' Clegg) 29%  29%  [ 2 ]
UKIP (Lord 'Lolsome' Pearson) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Greens/Socialist/Commie/Nazi/Pirate/Random extremist scum 43%  43%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 7
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He supports the candidates on that Hang 'Em list but I thought he was in the tank for the Lib Dems. I suppose the two are effectively pretty similar things.

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And there's direct action planned against cuts? Yikes.


..............! :omfg:

The next four years will be exciting times for industrial relations nerds :D

This is quite a good interview on the subject with Mark Serwotka

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2 ... k-serwotka

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The media has been full of predictions of a summer of discontent. Just how much of one is there going to be? Will it be this summer? Or will the unions wait to see what happens? "Look. One of the things I said at the NUT conference is that we all know it's coming. Therefore, what would be irresponsible is to wait till it comes. So what we're calling for is the public sector unions to get together now, and start preparing the defence. Do I think that will involve industrial action? I think that it's inevitable. Do I think that industrial action has more chance of success if unions do it together? Absolutely. I think it will be a fatal mistake if each union was left to try and defend its individual sector, where the chances of them succeeding are small."

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Provocatively, he sees there might be scope for the mainstream politicisation of the unions themselves. "I think that it is going to become fairly evident that it is the unions who will become seen as the leaders of the opposition. After the election, whoever wins, when this dismantling of public spending takes place, there is every possibility we will see the rise of community-based social movements seeking to defend welfare and pensions and services, and I think the unions have to gravitate to community campaigning." Who knows? In areas where they believe there is no one else to vote for, they might even field their own candidates. Serwotka is certainly going to ballot his members to that effect. "And I think that's quite exciting."


In other news, apparently a Labour candidate in Norfolk has just called Gordon Brown "the worst Prime Minister Britain's ever had". You would not get this kind of thing in The Thick of It, ffs.


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That Hang 'Em site is interesting though. Apparently in my area the thing to do to stop a Tory majority is vote Lib Dem... I don't actually see how that works, given that Labour are just in first, Tories a close second, and Lib Dems miles behind in third. Unless they are expecting such a massive drop in the labour vote that the only way to stop the tory is everybody migrating en masse to the Lib Dem lady.


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Here is some hilarity for you all, courtesy of our finest newspaper.

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... queue.html

SIXTEEN Page 3 Girls in all their glory represent the very image of freedom in this country.
But if Labour or the Lib Dems win the election, this could be the last time they are allowed to pose together.

MPs Harriet Harman and Lynne Featherstone will move swiftly to change the law and ban Page 3 forever.

Our national treasures - who even enjoy the Royal seal of approval from our future King Prince Charles - will be no more.

And at a stroke the very liberties that put the Great into Great Britain will be torn asunder.

The radical ideas of the 17th-century philosopher John Locke helped shape our freedoms enshrined in the Bill of Rights and, later, America's Constitution.

Lib Dem frontbencher Featherstone was cheered by women's rights activists when she declared she would "love to take on Page 3".

But our Poppy said: "The basis of Lockean thought is his theory of the Contract of Government, under which all political power is a trust for the benefit of the people.

"His thinking underpins our ideas of national identity and society. Please don't let those who seek to ban our beauty win. Vote to save Page 3!"


John Locke was an advocate of page 3 girls! Good old Poppy.


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I wish we had more UK posters here, so I could say things like TWENNY MINUTES LEFT TIL POLLING SHUTS, PEOPLE! Apparently turnout has been awesome, off to the count soon. Fingers, toes and other extremities are crossed.


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Good luck, Goat!

I'm not going to say good luck to Lib or Lab, but let us wholeheartedly say:

Bad luck, Conservatives!


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Good luck, Goat!

I'm not going to say good luck to Lib or Lab, but let us wholeheartedly say:

Bad luck, Conservatives!


All in all so long as the top monkey isn't in a blue suit it'll be a good day!


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rio wrote:
Good luck, Goat!

I'm not going to say good luck to Lib or Lab, but let us wholeheartedly say:

Bad luck, Conservatives!


edit: nevermind, stupid newspapers putting missleading headlines.

.:c:.


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God, what a frigging depressing evening. We've got about 22% so far, basically what we were expecting before Cleggmania, which has not turned into votes. Dreadful night for us Libs, in many ways. Evan Harris is gone, madly, Zac Goldsmith beat Sue Kramer, and my local awesome PPC in Bury South who we have been working our socks off for, Vic D'Albert, came a decent third, but the BNP came fourth which is godawful. Just heard that Marge Hodge got 20,000 more votes than Griffin in Barking, so that makes up for it, I suppose, although he beat us to third. They have made gains in terms of numbers of votes, and are a bigger threat than ever.

The bright spots so far are that Caroline Lucas has got in, first Green MP, she deserved to win, bless her. Vince Cable had a big win, I think there would have been suicides if he lost, our best man. What a fucking crap voting system - 40 seats we have so far, down twentysomething.


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Stiff upper lip, chin up and all that...

Hey, I feel your pain, we got Obama, not exactly my first (or even last) choice.
Meh, life goes on.


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Yeah. If this has crystallised anything for me, it's that I believed firmly and proudly in my party's manifesto, what we stand for we stand for still, and we will do the best for the country in any hung parliaments. Forwards march.


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Goat wrote:
Yeah. If this has crystallised anything for me, it's that I believed firmly and proudly in my party's manifesto, what we stand for we stand for still, and we will do the best for the country in any hung parliaments. Forwards march.


How conservative is conservative over there? I always got the impression that "convservative" to you guys is more like our liberal, though that's just what I've heard.
Conservative, to me, is Reagan, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, Buckley (before he embraced neo-conservatism) and so on.


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God, what a frigging depressing evening. We've got about 22% so far, basically what we were expecting before Cleggmania, which has not turned into votes. Dreadful night for us Libs, in many ways. Evan Harris is gone, madly, Zac Goldsmith beat Sue Kramer, and my local awesome PPC in Bury South who we have been working our socks off for, Vic D'Albert, came a decent third, but the BNP came fourth which is godawful. Just heard that Marge Hodge got 20,000 more votes than Griffin in Barking, so that makes up for it, I suppose, although he beat us to third. They have made gains in terms of numbers of votes, and are a bigger threat than ever.

The bright spots so far are that Caroline Lucas has got in, first Green MP, she deserved to win, bless her. Vince Cable had a big win, I think there would have been suicides if he lost, our best man. What a fucking crap voting system - 40 seats we have so far, down twentysomething.


Are you not holding out any hope for a Lib-Lab coalition govt with electoral reform as a condition?


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THE GREENS WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!







:dio: :dio: :dio:






.....in Brighton.


but still!

THE GREENS WON

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Clegg seems to be leaving the door wide open for the Tories :sad:

The Tories have staggered, just, past a party led by a guy who goes round calling little old ladies "bigots", and who has been called "the worst British PM in our history" by a candidate in his own party. And they still don't have a majority.

WTF will happen now?


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Goat wrote:
Yeah. If this has crystallised anything for me, it's that I believed firmly and proudly in my party's manifesto, what we stand for we stand for still, and we will do the best for the country in any hung parliaments. Forwards march.


How conservative is conservative over there? I always got the impression that "convservative" to you guys is more like our liberal, though that's just what I've heard.
Conservative, to me, is Reagan, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, Buckley (before he embraced neo-conservatism) and so on.


Depends. The tory leadership presents a very moderate front indeed, which in many ways is indistinguishable from labour or the lib dems.

Within the party ranks, however, you will find people much further to the right, who get swept under the carpet by Cameron.


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/g ... t-green-mp

An upbeat note from Monbiot


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rio wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
Goat wrote:
Yeah. If this has crystallised anything for me, it's that I believed firmly and proudly in my party's manifesto, what we stand for we stand for still, and we will do the best for the country in any hung parliaments. Forwards march.


How conservative is conservative over there? I always got the impression that "convservative" to you guys is more like our liberal, though that's just what I've heard.
Conservative, to me, is Reagan, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, Buckley (before he embraced neo-conservatism) and so on.


Depends. The tory leadership presents a very moderate front indeed, which in many ways is indistinguishable from labour or the lib dems.

Within the party ranks, however, you will find people much further to the right, who get swept under the carpet by Cameron.


Yeah COTB, our Thatcher in the 80s was more or less equal to your Reagan, and she has plenty of ideological supporters in the Conservatives. The leader of the party is more centre-right than actual right, though, and talks moderate whilst hiding the nastier stuff.

And TBH rio, I'm not expecting much considering a Lab-Lib coalition would still be short of a majority and we'd need to get everyone from Caroline Lucas to the Welsh & Scottish nationalists on board. It seems pretty unworkable - the best we can hope for is to keep Cameron centrist. A very bad night for the British left overall.

Julia Goldsworthy lost. :sad:


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Heh, well, at least it's my turn now to be the optimist... should be fun watching a Tory government struggling with a cuts agenda against public sector unions and an opposition that outnumbers them. (Unless Clegg jumps on board- say it ain't so!)

Not to mention my letters to the Guardian!

Here's to a 20-day British Airways strike welcoming Cameron into Downing Street. It couldn't possibly backfire!


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I'd guess that a PR referendum will be a cast-iron condition of Lib Dem support for anyone, although Cameron will campaign hard against it and we would struggle, I think to win. I think there'll be another election before long. Not good news.


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God, it's sickening watching Dan Hannan telling Dimbleby how the Tories "believe in electoral reform- you, know: the right to recall MPs". Watching them trying to justify their profoundly undemocratic clinging on to FPTP is horrible.

Dan Hannan is a twat: This is the guy that went on Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity telling them how "nobody in Britain wants the NHS" etc., providing them with the line "British people hate having national healthcare" for weeks afterwards. What an utter nob.

But what if the TOries can't get ANYTHING done without committing to some level of electoral reform? Another election soon could surely be a good thing in that case...

Sorry it was such a bad night for you guys, anyway, believe it or not I was wishing you well. Chin up, etc. etc.


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