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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =126985072

nun saves woman's life, catholic church says fu


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/gallery/2010/may/25/queens-speech-coalition-government?picture=363020607

Thought you Yanks might like to see tradition in action - the state opening of Parliament.



Looks like a good time was had by all.


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noodles wrote:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126985072

nun saves woman's life, catholic church says fu


Don't most Catholic authorities say fu in that situation? Meanwhile, those backwood neanderthal Islamist types actually allow abortion to save a mother's life! What uncivilised scum they are.

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Looks like a good time was had by all.


It's part of the national psyche, really - I doubt they'll ever give it all up - and quite interesting if you're into politics in general.


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Goat wrote:
Don't most Catholic authorities say fu in that situation? Meanwhile, those backwood neanderthal Islamist types actually allow abortion to save a mother's life! What uncivilised scum they are.

If she would be pregnant outside of marriage, however, she'd be stoned to death :wink:


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Karmakosmonaut wrote:
Goat wrote:
Don't most Catholic authorities say fu in that situation? Meanwhile, those backwood neanderthal Islamist types actually allow abortion to save a mother's life! What uncivilised scum they are.

If she would be pregnant outside of marriage, however, she'd be stoned to death :wink:


And if she was Italian, and had a boyfriend her family didn't like? Heh, swings and roundabouts. :P


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This is interesting:

http://c4ss.org/quiz

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The C4SS Find Your Philosophy Quiz is an experiment designed to help make the distinctions between views about goals and views about ways of reaching those goals more clear and to enable anarchists to understand and highlight both their similarities with and differences from statists who may be their allies, adversaries, or conversation-partners. It’s designed to help place you along five separate spectra: Economic Leftist/Economic Rightist; Civil Libertarian/Civil Authoritarian; Socio-Cultural Liberal/Socio-Cultural Conservative; Anti-Militarist/Pro-Militarist; and Anarchist/Statist. There are 106 questions here, which aim to do so with a fine degree of granularity.


Me:

58% Economic Leftist (Economic Leftist / Economic Rightist)
13% Statist (Anarchist / Statist)
96% Anti-Militarist (Anti-Militarist / Militarist)
76% Socio-Cultural Liberal (Socio-Cultural Liberal / Socio-Cultural Conservative)
57% Civil Libertarian (Civil Libertarian / Civil Authoritarian)

Not sure how viable the results are (the site is some anarchist/libertarian thing) but interesting to see I'm (apparently) more centrist than I thought, and less civil libertarian than I thought. I'm a peace-loving hippy, that's for sure, heh.


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7% economic leftist
41% statist
36% anti-militarist
39% socio-cultural conservative
40% civil libertarian


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Karmakosmonaut wrote:
7% economic leftist


At last, the truth is revealed! :wink:


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39 % Economic Leftist
38 % Statist
57 % Anti-Militarist
74 % Socio-Cultural Liberal
63 % Civil Libertarian.

Interesting juxtaposition there, with the statism and the civil libertarianism.

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79% Economic Leftist
53% Anarchist
86% Anti-Militarist
98% Socio-CUltural Liberal (?)
70% Civil Libertarian


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Statist tyrants, the lot of ye


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Mine:

8% Economic Rightist
56% Anarchist
32% Anti-Militarist
9% Socio-Cultural Liberal
0% Civil Authoritarian

questions are loaded and are too black and white, with too many qualifiers for my liking though, but perhaps that's just the anrchist talking.

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Took it again, out of curiosity, and to see what changes and what doesn't depending on how much I've been drinking.

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71% Economic Leftist
13% Statist
100% Anti-Militarist
98% Socio-Cultural Liberal
63% Civil Libertarian


Whatever happens, I appear to be anti-military, with my libertarian side asserting itself generally - although there's enough suspicion of anarchism to make me a partial statist, interestingly. Sorry, rio, some government is better than no government at all...


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The more drunk you are, the more extremist you are? :lol:


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The authority of parent over child, husband over wife, learned over simple is an inherent part of reasonably ordered human society (even if it should be limited because of its potential for abuse).

wtf@grouping those three relationships together o_O

32% Economic Leftist (Economic Leftist / Economic Rightist)
6% Anarchist (Anarchist / Statist)
68% Anti-Militarist (Anti-Militarist / Militarist)
76% Socio-Cultural Liberal (Socio-Cultural Liberal / Socio-Cultural Conservative)
53% Civil Libertarian (Civil Libertarian / Civil Authoritarian) - not sure what this is. Otherwise seems about right.


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Karmakosmonaut wrote:
The more drunk you are, the more extremist you are? :lol:


Or the more sober I am, heh.


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56% Economic Leftist (Economic Leftist / Economic Rightist)
31% Anarchist (Anarchist / Statist)
54% Anti-Militarist (Anti-Militarist / Militarist)
48% Socio-Cultural Liberal (Socio-Cultural Liberal / Socio-Cultural Conservative)
53% Civil Libertarian (Civil Libertarian / Civil Authoritarian)


pretty accurate I guess. I always thought myself to be on the "left" side of politics. I am more of an anarchist than this, though.


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78% Economic Leftist (Economic Leftist / Economic Rightist)
0% Statist (Anarchist / Statist)
96% Anti-Militarist (Anti-Militarist / Militarist)
87% Socio-Cultural Liberal (Socio-Cultural Liberal / Socio-Cultural Conservative)
63% Civil Libertarian (Civil Libertarian / Civil Authoritarian)

hey, just in the middle between anarchy & state... I thought I was more anarchist.


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So, the Israel - Turkey situation is pretty fucked up. Some were talking about it in the post count plus 1 thread but got distracted by that hot German singer.

Israel have gone completely power crazy. Their use of violence against civilians had caused many people to frown and do nothing over the years, but attacking a civilian bot with aid supplies for civilians in Gazza? And killing unarmed people for no good reason at all (if there is any, ever)? I think it's about time the world stood up and told them to cut the crap.

Sure, the Jews have been fucked by the world over and over in history. They don't want to even come near a situation like the Holocaust ever again. This justifies some of their actions, like wanting a strong army, being cautious and to some extent being aggressive. But nothing justifies killing civilians. This time they are not even people who are considered enemies by Israel. Turks and Jews have been allies since forever, in fact we're the only ally they have in the region. Making an enemy out of their only friends. Bad move there Israel. Bad move.


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The spin's already begun; they weren't innocent, they were Hamas supporters with links to global terror, lying in wait to ambush and lynch IDF soldiers! You'd think a lynch mob would have better weapons than steel rods and a couple of knives, no? Yet until I hear different, the boat was attacked in international waters and should not have been boarded, end of.

Nothing'll come of it, though, the US has already intervened to avoid condemnation. A few protests here and there, and then it'll go back to normal, and there's only so much people can do - here, a couple of British government ministers have called for an end to the Gaza blockade, but unless the whole of Europe and/or America suddenly says, with a single voice, that military aid (at least!) will be cut off to Israel unless they change, nothing will. Still, no doubt our local Lib Dems will be buzzing at the next meeting - given what the Turkish PM was saying earlier, you won't need to do much, heh.


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