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 Post subject: Graveland - Dawn of Iron Blades (#2504)
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:20 am 
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Graveland - Dawn of Iron Blades
Epic Black Metal
Quoted: 83 / 100


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:52 am 
I want to hear this. Especially since I havn't heard Fire of the Awakening.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:05 am 
Darken is a fascist. Fuck him :P


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:49 pm 
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Who cares? Even if he is NS, I'd also listen to his stuff if its nice.

Btw, someone recommend something from Graveland? What's their best album?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 3:13 pm 
I haven't given this enough spins to give it a proper score but on my initial listens I realy like it. The epic qualities of the music are great and the riffs are instant Graveland classics in most cases.


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I concur....I like this Epic stuff! :D


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[6EN6KI6] wrote:
Who cares? Even if he is NS, I'd also listen to his stuff if its nice.

Btw, someone recommend something from Graveland? What's their best album?


In my opinion, Celtic Winter is the best Graveland's album. But it's more raw and evil than the last Graveland's efforts such as Dawn of iron blades


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[6EN6KI6] wrote:
Who cares? Even if he is NS, I'd also listen to his stuff if its nice.

Btw, someone recommend something from Graveland? What's their best album?


For their more Black Metal era try Thousand Swords; its amazing, I think thats their absolute masterpiece; a really incredible album.

As for thier more Epic era this one or The Fire of Awakening are great. By the way, it this is your first Graveland experience, add around 5 point to the score; my quote was 83 because of it's similarity with the previous release, I can't quote a band higher if they begin repeating albums; but this indeed is a solid release.

Celtic Winter is also very good but very simple at the same time; I preffer the more complex song structures of Thousand Swords.


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I am partial to Carpathain Wolves myself.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:43 pm 
This and carpathain wolves are the 2 best GL Cd's. :P


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Important Note: Neither does Daniel nor the Metal Reviews site, approve, condone, or agree with any of the ideologies promoted and supported by Graveland or any Nacionalist Socialist Black Metal band; even though the intention of this review is to portray the musical quality of the album; it is the duty of Metal Reviews to explicitly express it's firm stance againts any form of discrimination, specially one as stupid as racism.


I hope this leaves everything very clear.


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 Post subject: newbie looking for some Graveland??
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:01 am 
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hey! I was looking at buying some graveland.I like the few songs I got off the site, but I notice there are alot of mcds and they are pretty expensive off ebay? Are they worth the purchases. I really like the Epic style songwriting rather than the raw style. What albums would you suggest and are there any songs on the full-lengths that are duplicated from the mini-releases.
Not a big fan of darkthrone early Burzum style though, but the song I got from Fire of Awakening did not (in my opinion) have many similarities, but maybe I need to dust off the burzum cds and rethink myself? I keep reading the comparison to Burzum. Maybe in the guitar and production but I have not heard too much to decipher such.


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 Post subject: Re: newbie looking for some Graveland??
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EpicMetalFan30 wrote:
hey! I was looking at buying some graveland.I like the few songs I got off the site, but I notice there are alot of mcds and they are pretty expensive off ebay? Are they worth the purchases. I really like the Epic style songwriting rather than the raw style. What albums would you suggest and are there any songs on the full-lengths that are duplicated from the mini-releases.
Not a big fan of darkthrone early Burzum style though, but the song I got from Fire of Awakening did not (in my opinion) have many similarities, but maybe I need to dust off the burzum cds and rethink myself? I keep reading the comparison to Burzum. Maybe in the guitar and production but I have not heard too much to decipher such.


Hey man; you're right; Graveland has nothing in common with Burzum; at least not in my views and as I see neither in yours; probably the comparisson comes in the (stupid) ideologies both support, but musically speaking they're quite different; maybe the only musical thing they have in common are the great keyboards, but even though these are great in both bands, they're handled in a very different way; Graveland gives a very epic feeling with them, while Burzum is more atmospheric.

As for the EPs in e-bay; be very carefull while shopping for Black Metal at e-bay; there are a lot of stuff like bootlegs that are shown as official releases; also the EPs might be expensive because they're hard to get, but this doesn't necessairly mean they're good, only rare.

The Celtic Winter, Carpathian Wolves, Thousand Swords, The Fire of Awakening and the one reviewed here are all excellent releases and should be easy enough to find; the first three are more Blackened, while the last two are more epic.

Try the No Colours web-site, its probable you'll find the stuff there; or www.moribundcult.com ;they have a very nice store with releases of a lot of labels; maybe you can get some stuff from there; from what I've heard they're pretty reliable.

I hope this will help you; enjoy.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:57 pm 
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Metal Reviews wrote:
Important Note: Neither does Daniel nor the Metal Reviews site, approve, condone, or agree with any of the ideologies promoted and supported by Graveland or any Nacionalist Socialist Black Metal band;

You spelt National wrong.

Knit picking is fun.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:50 am 
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races do not exist,
cultures at the other hand ...


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:40 am 
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Races DO exist, like with dogs, some races can be labled as better on certain surfaces than others, but to make a problem about that such as the nazi's do is complete bullshit!


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:18 am 
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no,we come from the same parent in africa
we have the same patterns,face movements etc

races are more extreme in differences for example : difference between insect families

its just culture that makes differences,races do not exist or do you actually think that black men looks different than white men.I do not think so.It just that they have different skin because of the sun etc ,the DNA is very,very similar (very unique in nature actually)


I am NOT the only one who thinks this, there is major movement in science AT this very moment who supports this view


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:29 am 
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I do not think so.It just that they have different skin because of the sun etc ,the DNA is very,very similar (very unique in nature actually)


Yes, actually there is far greater genetic diversity to be found between individuals within a single 'village' than there is between the races as a whole. So it follows that race (or environmentally induced genetic drift) accounts for a very small percentage of our differences. Personally, I think it is really important to look at the individual.

Also, one theory for white skin is that because of the lesser quantity of sunlight they receive on average, northern folk needed to let more sun in to produce sufficient quantities of Vitamin D rather than that equatorial folk needed to keep more sun out. It would also follow from this that black is the original colour of human beings.


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hmm, if the skin was only because of the sun then why are colored people born colored? and you cannot deny a genuine difference in the genotype of people from different countreys: there are very few colored people involved in bikeracing (has something to do with the form of the spine), and eteopians are far better at atletic sports. azians are averagely shorter, and swedish and dutch people are averagely taller. i hope you are not telling me that if you were raised in chinatown that you would have been shorter as well :wink: . maybe you are right about the similarities in the DNA structure, i don't know shit about biogenetica. i do not know if the term race is therefore appropriate, but i do know that there are some differences that are not fenotypically unbiased. from there it is easily concluded that there is a natural variation in different parts of the world, which can be entitled as races, for it's simply the easiest word for it. i don't know about you guys but i'd rather call it that than fenotypically unbias natural variations :!:


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:27 am 
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hmm, if the skin was only because of the sun then why are colored people born colored? and you cannot deny a genuine difference in the genotype of people from different countreys: there are very few colored people involved in bikeracing (has something to do with the form of the spine), and eteopians are far better at atletic sports. azians are averagely shorter, and swedish and dutch people are averagely taller.


Colored people are born colored because they inherited that characteristic from their parents. I was just trying to say skin color distribution could be a result of micro evolution due to the fact that people in areas that receive less sun needed whiter skin to produce adequate levels of vitamin D (more exposure). If an african tribe moved to Norway 10,000 years ago, they would probably be lighter now than they were then because of disease wiping out the less fit for low sunlight conditions (ie darker). In other words, skin color is probably not a very good indicator of anything other that your ability to survive in different latitudes without multi-vitamins.

Some of the physical differences could come from the fact that the populations of large geographic areas sometimes could be traced back to a few individuals (ie thin noses or something could essentially be a 'family' characteristic). I remember reading a study once (details are a bit sketchy) about how the native population of Europe (I think) could be traced to 7 females through DNA analysis. Interesting stuff, anyhow.

The differences between athletes at extreme levels is very slight - but certainly there are differences. And they are certainly MUCH better than the average of their respective race. Economics also comes into play for some sports - eg I don't see a lot of Ethiopians being able to affort a $10,000 road bike but certainly running is very affordable. Environment, too - witness the higher altitudes that some Kenyans live at.


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