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http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2010/ju ... dup-review

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Should have seen this coming, I guess.


:lol: I think he should just run for Mayor of London. It's not like Bojo is much more sensible...


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I don't want to address any distinct points but frig basically made me throw up in my mouth. If only I thought all muslims were terrorist. You would like Michael Savage, frig.


You don't live in Europe...
Ok, cliché aside, I do NOT think that all Muslims are terrorists. I think that Islam is a dangerous ideology. There's a big difference.

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I don't want to address any distinct points but frig basically made me throw up in my mouth. If only I thought all muslims were terrorist. You would like Michael Savage, frig.


You don't live in Europe...
Ok, cliché aside, I do NOT think that all Muslims are terrorists. I think that Islam is a dangerous ideology. There's a big difference.
I live in America where we have to worry about the Mexicans taking over and hybridizing our culture and language. No multicultural community has ever survived before when two languages compete. :rolleyes:

All religion is "dangerous" by your standards. So give it up. All conservatives are the same. Whining about other people because they might encroach on your established status. You're just a giant bigot, masked behind some authoritarian Enlightenment facade.


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I don't want to address any distinct points but frig basically made me throw up in my mouth. If only I thought all muslims were terrorist. You would like Michael Savage, frig.


You don't live in Europe...
Ok, cliché aside, I do NOT think that all Muslims are terrorists. I think that Islam is a dangerous ideology. There's a big difference.
I live in America where we have to worry about the Mexicans taking over and hybridizing our culture and language. No multicultural community has ever survived before when two languages compete. :rolleyes:

All religion is "dangerous" by your standards. So give it up. All conservatives are the same. Whining about other people because they might encroach on your established status. You're just a giant bigot, masked behind some authoritarian Enlightenment facade.


The Mexican analogy is bullshit. It's not about culture clashes, it's about human rights, which are incompatible with Islam.
I'm not a conservative.

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I don't want to address any distinct points but frig basically made me throw up in my mouth. If only I thought all muslims were terrorist. You would like Michael Savage, frig.


You don't live in Europe...
Ok, cliché aside, I do NOT think that all Muslims are terrorists. I think that Islam is a dangerous ideology. There's a big difference.
I live in America where we have to worry about the Mexicans taking over and hybridizing our culture and language. No multicultural community has ever survived before when two languages compete. :rolleyes:

All religion is "dangerous" by your standards. So give it up. All conservatives are the same. Whining about other people because they might encroach on your established status. You're just a giant bigot, masked behind some authoritarian Enlightenment facade.


You ultra-lefties are all the same;weak watery-eyed doormats that embody the demasculation of Western (white) man.
No other racial, ethnic or cultural group would willingly allow an outside group to just take their lands and cultural identity from them, displacing them in their own lands. Yet that's exactly what people like you advocate. You actually welcome it.
It makes me sick.
Just because you hate yourself and your people and it's culture so much you want to see them and everything they have managed to create destroyed doesn't mean the rest of us share that self-destructice sentiment.
You call others "bigot" yet in the same breath say:

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All conservatives are the same.


Again, why should we give up our establishment status?
Do you feel that black Africans ought to give up their status in their own lands?
How about Mexico?
And if they fight it do you say they are "whining"?
No; it only applies to white lands, as per your marxist brainwashing.
Fuck off with that bullshit.
It's blatant hypocrisy at it's worst.

In 1950, the US was 90% white; by 2050, if current trends prevail, we will be down to 45%.
That is quite a large decimation.
I for one do not want this country to turn into a third world cesspool, where my children are a minority in their own land.
Do you think when you or your children are a minority here, that the new majority will show you the same pathetic cocker spaniel like behavior that you advocate?
Think again.
Why is every other group people on the planet allowed to preserve their unique racial and cultural identity, but those of European descent are required to give them up?
Take your self destructive, self-loathing communist bullshit and stuff it straight up your ass.

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Sorry, but it had to be done.


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I actually thought about posting that album cover, but didn't.

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I don't want to address any distinct points but frig basically made me throw up in my mouth. If only I thought all muslims were terrorist. You would like Michael Savage, frig.


You don't live in Europe...
Ok, cliché aside, I do NOT think that all Muslims are terrorists. I think that Islam is a dangerous ideology. There's a big difference.
I live in America where we have to worry about the Mexicans taking over and hybridizing our culture and language. No multicultural community has ever survived before when two languages compete. :rolleyes:

All religion is "dangerous" by your standards. So give it up. All conservatives are the same. Whining about other people because they might encroach on your established status. You're just a giant bigot, masked behind some authoritarian Enlightenment facade.



And you are a rather arrogant college kid who reads a fair bit and thinks he's figured out the whole world by age 20 through his Marxist lense. In five years I hope you'll be embarrassed by comments like this.


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FrigidSymphony wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
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traptunderice wrote:
I don't want to address any distinct points but frig basically made me throw up in my mouth. If only I thought all muslims were terrorist. You would like Michael Savage, frig.


You don't live in Europe...
Ok, cliché aside, I do NOT think that all Muslims are terrorists. I think that Islam is a dangerous ideology. There's a big difference.
I live in America where we have to worry about the Mexicans taking over and hybridizing our culture and language. No multicultural community has ever survived before when two languages compete. :rolleyes:

All religion is "dangerous" by your standards. So give it up. All conservatives are the same. Whining about other people because they might encroach on your established status. You're just a giant bigot, masked behind some authoritarian Enlightenment facade.


The Mexican analogy is bullshit. It's not about culture clashes, it's about human rights, which are incompatible with Islam.
I'm not a conservative.
Human rights? But you're siding with Israel?


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traptunderice wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
I don't want to address any distinct points but frig basically made me throw up in my mouth. If only I thought all muslims were terrorist. You would like Michael Savage, frig.


You don't live in Europe...
Ok, cliché aside, I do NOT think that all Muslims are terrorists. I think that Islam is a dangerous ideology. There's a big difference.
I live in America where we have to worry about the Mexicans taking over and hybridizing our culture and language. No multicultural community has ever survived before when two languages compete. :rolleyes:

All religion is "dangerous" by your standards. So give it up. All conservatives are the same. Whining about other people because they might encroach on your established status. You're just a giant bigot, masked behind some authoritarian Enlightenment facade.


You ultra-lefties are all the same;weak watery-eyed doormats that embody the demasculation of Western (white) man.
No other racial, ethnic or cultural group would willingly allow an outside group to just take their lands and cultural identity from them, displacing them in their own lands. Yet that's exactly what people like you advocate. You actually welcome it.
It makes me sick.
Just because you hate yourself and your people and it's culture so much you want to see them and everything they have managed to create destroyed doesn't mean the rest of us share that self-destructice sentiment.
Self-destructive? Self-destructive would be the actions which caused the giant surge of immigrants. Rising inflation in Mexico making their already low wages in Mexico unaffordable, farms becoming controlled by corporations using the gov't to take land and then the general discontent and chaos caused by gov'ts we established in order to serve our own benefits. This has nothing to do with being self-destructive but treating people like humans and not exploiting them and recognizing that we've stole from them. If Mexicans still had a cultural identity, they wouldn't be trying to assimilate into American culture as much as they are. They would be challenging us for exploiting them and fucking them over the last several decades.

Quote:
You call others "bigot" yet in the same breath say:

Quote:
All conservatives are the same.


Again, why should we give up our establishment status?
Do you feel that black Africans ought to give up their status in their own lands?
How about Mexico?
And if they fight it do you say they are "whining"?
No; it only applies to white lands, as per your marxist brainwashing.
Fuck off with that bullshit.
It's blatant hypocrisy at it's worst.
I feel like the definition of conservative implies a conformity minus social and economic distinctions amongst conservatives.

Africans don't have status in their own lands because we've fucked them over and established corporation with more power than the gov'ts through transnational bullshit like the IMF and the World Bank which we fund more than 50% of each.

Mexicans fight for their land and we call them terrorists. It's called the Zapatistas. This land isn't our fucking land anyways. Complete ignorance to the fact that we stole it. :rolleyes: For having such a hatred of social policies which breed "entitlement", you sure bask in it when it comes to thinking you're an American. You have more in common with the working class blacks and Mexicans than you do with upper class whites you cling to and defend.

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In 1950, the US was 90% white; by 2050, if current trends prevail, we will be down to 45%.
That is quite a large decimation.
I for one do not want this country to turn into a third world cesspool, where my children are a minority in their own land.
Do you think when you or your children are a minority here, that the new majority will show you the same pathetic cocker spaniel like behavior that you advocate?
Think again.
Why is every other group people on the planet allowed to preserve their unique racial and cultural identity, but those of European descent are required to give them up?
In 1492, America was 99% not white. That 1950 census data probably didn't take into consideration the immigrants which were already working here from China, Russia and Mexico.

The reason those third world countries are cesspools is because transnational corporations, new-age colonialism have fucked them up. They have resources, they had industries and employment. Yet we overthrew their socialist leaders against the people's will to establish who we wanted. American corporations benefited from buying national industries at rock bottom prices through IMF deals. American corporations are the ones who've benefited by shipping our American steel industry jobs to Brazil for the cheaper wages as Brazilians privatized their own industry.

They probably wouldn't show me the same mentality which I hope to show them insofar as being the object of our system for so long they've probably internalized its horrible attitude. I love Western culture. I don't love the people within Western culture who have sought to make money off exploiting other people. The next time I see white people being treated subhuman I will be pissed. Oh wait I do get pissed off when white people are exploited in their jobs.

Fuck, you know what I hate about Western culture. At the root of all Western culture is John Locke's conception of private property wherein whatever you work over becomes yours. It's highlighted in reference to capitalism yet it is ignored when it comes to all the labor put out by workers. That is the root of a lot of theft and exploitation wrought by the hands of Western society.


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traptunderice wrote:
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traptunderice wrote:
I don't want to address any distinct points but frig basically made me throw up in my mouth. If only I thought all muslims were terrorist. You would like Michael Savage, frig.


You don't live in Europe...
Ok, cliché aside, I do NOT think that all Muslims are terrorists. I think that Islam is a dangerous ideology. There's a big difference.
I live in America where we have to worry about the Mexicans taking over and hybridizing our culture and language. No multicultural community has ever survived before when two languages compete. :rolleyes:

All religion is "dangerous" by your standards. So give it up. All conservatives are the same. Whining about other people because they might encroach on your established status. You're just a giant bigot, masked behind some authoritarian Enlightenment facade.


And you are a rather arrogant college kid who reads a fair bit and thinks he's figured out the whole world by age 20 through his Marxist lense. In five years I hope you'll be embarrassed by comments like this.
I keep hearing that from conservatives which I come across. Marxism and leftism as a fad in college yet the more one reads, the more one realizes how fucked over this world has become by people's actions. Unless I start finding new sources to conflict with this or just become lazy and accept this as how things are going to be then I see no reason as to why I should change my views.


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traptunderice wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
I don't want to address any distinct points but frig basically made me throw up in my mouth. If only I thought all muslims were terrorist. You would like Michael Savage, frig.


You don't live in Europe...
Ok, cliché aside, I do NOT think that all Muslims are terrorists. I think that Islam is a dangerous ideology. There's a big difference.
I live in America where we have to worry about the Mexicans taking over and hybridizing our culture and language. No multicultural community has ever survived before when two languages compete. :rolleyes:

All religion is "dangerous" by your standards. So give it up. All conservatives are the same. Whining about other people because they might encroach on your established status. You're just a giant bigot, masked behind some authoritarian Enlightenment facade.


You ultra-lefties are all the same;weak watery-eyed doormats that embody the demasculation of Western (white) man.
No other racial, ethnic or cultural group would willingly allow an outside group to just take their lands and cultural identity from them, displacing them in their own lands. Yet that's exactly what people like you advocate. You actually welcome it.
It makes me sick.
Just because you hate yourself and your people and it's culture so much you want to see them and everything they have managed to create destroyed doesn't mean the rest of us share that self-destructice sentiment.
Self-destructive? Self-destructive would be the actions which caused the giant surge of immigrants. Rising inflation in Mexico making their already low wages in Mexico unaffordable, farms becoming controlled by corporations using the gov't to take land and then the general discontent and chaos caused by gov'ts we established in order to serve our own benefits. This has nothing to do with being self-destructive but treating people like humans and not exploiting them and recognizing that we've stole from them. If Mexicans still had a cultural identity, they wouldn't be trying to assimilate into American culture as much as they are. They would be challenging us for exploiting them and fucking them over the last several decades.

Quote:
You call others "bigot" yet in the same breath say:

Quote:
All conservatives are the same.


Again, why should we give up our establishment status?
Do you feel that black Africans ought to give up their status in their own lands?
How about Mexico?
And if they fight it do you say they are "whining"?
No; it only applies to white lands, as per your marxist brainwashing.
Fuck off with that bullshit.
It's blatant hypocrisy at it's worst.
I feel like the definition of conservative implies a conformity minus social and economic distinctions amongst conservatives.

Africans don't have status in their own lands because we've fucked them over and established corporation with more power than the gov'ts through transnational bullshit like the IMF and the World Bank which we fund more than 50% of each.

Mexicans fight for their land and we call them terrorists. It's called the Zapatistas. This land isn't our fucking land anyways. Complete ignorance to the fact that we stole it. :rolleyes: For having such a hatred of social policies which breed "entitlement", you sure bask in it when it comes to thinking you're an American. You have more in common with the working class blacks and Mexicans than you do with upper class whites you cling to and defend.

Quote:
In 1950, the US was 90% white; by 2050, if current trends prevail, we will be down to 45%.
That is quite a large decimation.
I for one do not want this country to turn into a third world cesspool, where my children are a minority in their own land.
Do you think when you or your children are a minority here, that the new majority will show you the same pathetic cocker spaniel like behavior that you advocate?
Think again.
Why is every other group people on the planet allowed to preserve their unique racial and cultural identity, but those of European descent are required to give them up?
In 1492, America was 99% not white. That 1950 census data probably didn't take into consideration the immigrants which were already working here from China, Russia and Mexico.

The reason those third world countries are cesspools is because transnational corporations, new-age colonialism have fucked them up. They have resources, they had industries and employment. Yet we overthrew their socialist leaders against the people's will to establish who we wanted. American corporations benefited from buying national industries at rock bottom prices through IMF deals. American corporations are the ones who've benefited by shipping our American steel industry jobs to Brazil for the cheaper wages as Brazilians privatized their own industry.

They probably wouldn't show me the same mentality which I hope to show them insofar as being the object of our system for so long they've probably internalized its horrible attitude. I love Western culture. I don't love the people within Western culture who have sought to make money off exploiting other people. The next time I see white people being treated subhuman I will be pissed. Oh wait I do get pissed off when white people are exploited in their jobs.

Fuck, you know what I hate about Western culture. At the root of all Western culture is John Locke's conception of private property wherein whatever you work over becomes yours. It's highlighted in reference to capitalism yet it is ignored when it comes to all the labor put out by workers. That is the root of a lot of theft and exploitation wrought by the hands of Western society.


It's really pointless to even debate this with you; all you do is regurgitate the standard Marxist talking points; every thing wrong in third world cesspools is because of Evil Corporations exploiting de po' natives... yes they had resources but they didn't do a damned thing with them. And they still wouldn't to this day, in fact, they still do not. Look at Zimbabwe: they are asking whites to come back, because since they were ran off, the natives are starving and their currency's infaltion is astronomical.
Truth is, those natives were too primitive to even know what to do with the land and it's resources, beyond the most rudimentary and crude tools.
As for colonization: look at Haiti, Zimbabwe and any other third world hellhole that once was graced by European man's genius.
They intoduced architecture, elctricity, education, a useful infrastrucure etc to a hitherto primitive wasteland.
Haiti is a prime example: it was during French rule a bountiful and flourishing island, but when the black uprising occurred and all the French were slaughtered, they really ran it into the ground, didn't they? And still, Da Eebil Whiteman is to blame... give me a break.
Never mind the countless billions of dollars the West (white folk) give to these countries in aid, everything wrong with those countries is the fault of a group of evil capitalists.
If they are too fucking weak and stupid to survive, then they have no right to.
This planet is way to populated as it is, maybe nature has singled out the weak to be culled; ever consider that?

In 1492 the land was not under any ownership, the natives had no concept on land ownership; ergo, it is impossible for it to have been taken.
But that was 500 FUCKING years ago!!!
This country is headed for disaster, because the influx of illegal immigrants is nothing more than importing another countries uneducated, basically unskilled poverty. Not to mention that they have NO desire to assimilate, they only bring their country into ours. Fuck that.

Answer the question:
Why is this cultural and racial suicide only encouraged upon whites?
I have NEVER heard a Marxist or any lefty in general say that "Africa is not diverse enough", only "Europe / the US / Australia, i.e., basically white homelands needs more diversity".
Why is that?




And yes, I am a STRONG believer in private property. Fuck, man if you hate the foundations of western culture so damn much, haul ass outta here. I'm sure there are a few Marxist utopias that would be glad to have you.


Oh, and if anything, the hand of western (white) man upon those benighted former colonies left an infrastucure and generally speaking advanced an otherwise primitive land.
Wake up and shake off the spell of your Marxist brainwashing;
Those places that you say were "exploited" would still be vast primitive wastelands today, all those resources just going to waste.


While places like Africa were busy building this (in fact still are; don't blame white man, Africa is run by Africans):

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Europeans were creating, among other things:

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It is fair to say that whatever infrastructure that those so-called "colonized" countries enjoy were hastened by European man.
The disparity in the level of advancement cannot even be compared.
In fact, in places where western mans hand has not left it's print, they still live as they did hundreds of years ago.

As for Mexico, the disparity of wealth is due to internal exploitation; the rich in Mexico are very rich , everybody else has to bite dust.
Don't blame Europeans for this; Mexico is it's ow sovereign nation with it's own laws, class system and leaders.

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I don't want to address any distinct points but frig basically made me throw up in my mouth. If only I thought all muslims were terrorist. You would like Michael Savage, frig.


You don't live in Europe...
Ok, cliché aside, I do NOT think that all Muslims are terrorists. I think that Islam is a dangerous ideology. There's a big difference.
I live in America where we have to worry about the Mexicans taking over and hybridizing our culture and language. No multicultural community has ever survived before when two languages compete. :rolleyes:

All religion is "dangerous" by your standards. So give it up. All conservatives are the same. Whining about other people because they might encroach on your established status. You're just a giant bigot, masked behind some authoritarian Enlightenment facade.


And you are a rather arrogant college kid who reads a fair bit and thinks he's figured out the whole world by age 20 through his Marxist lense. In five years I hope you'll be embarrassed by comments like this.
I keep hearing that from conservatives which I come across. Marxism and leftism as a fad in college yet the more one reads, the more one realizes how fucked over this world has become by people's actions. Unless I start finding new sources to conflict with this or just become lazy and accept this as how things are going to be then I see no reason as to why I should change my views.


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Oh and as for that tired bullshit that we "stole the land" from Mexico.
More marxist revisionism.

Ever hear of The Gadsden Purchase?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_Purchase

And the disputed land did NOT include all of Californian, Arizona and New Mexico (a rather small southern portion of Arizona and N. Mexico which was bought for $10 million).
Texas was in dispute; we went to war (declared by Mexico, for all intents and purposes) the US won. Tough shit.
Every country was part of another country at some point in history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican-American_War


Not quite so cut and dried as "we stole the land", as you can see.

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World population: 6,825,100,000
White population worldwide: 1,087,000,000


Difference: 5,738,100,000

we are clearly the global minority, yet it is our homelands that need "diversity", relegating us to minority status even in our own lands within the span of a few more generations.

Sounds like self-destruction to me.

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Unfortunately western culture types have beliefs like

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so disagreeing with them gives them free reign to do whatever they want to you.

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I don't want to address any distinct points but frig basically made me throw up in my mouth. If only I thought all muslims were terrorist. You would like Michael Savage, frig.


You don't live in Europe...
Ok, cliché aside, I do NOT think that all Muslims are terrorists. I think that Islam is a dangerous ideology. There's a big difference.
I live in America where we have to worry about the Mexicans taking over and hybridizing our culture and language. No multicultural community has ever survived before when two languages compete. :rolleyes:

All religion is "dangerous" by your standards. So give it up. All conservatives are the same. Whining about other people because they might encroach on your established status. You're just a giant bigot, masked behind some authoritarian Enlightenment facade.


The Mexican analogy is bullshit. It's not about culture clashes, it's about human rights, which are incompatible with Islam.
I'm not a conservative.
Human rights? But you're siding with Israel?


Only for the purpose of counteracting Islamic influence. Unlike people seem to think, I'm capable of differentiating between individual people with Islamic beliefs, who deserve their full human rights, and the ideology of Islam itself, which must be reigned in.
Unfortunately, if we disregard the danger of Islam and focus only on the individual people, we will soon have a monster on our hands, and the land of Voltaire, Kant and Rousseau, of moral philosophy and critical reasoning, will be forced to choose- sacrifice the ideals of the enlightenment for the purpose of maintaining a multicultural diversity with Islam, or keep the ideals intact and take a harder line with Islamic expectations- no veils, limited numbers of mosques, strict controls on the teachings occurring in the mosques, and severe punishment for any man who dares treat a woman the way Islam endorses.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:01 am 
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The answer is that America should give Texas back to the Mexicans. It's the only way forward. :P

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In 1492 the land was not under any ownership, the natives had no concept on land ownership; ergo, it is impossible for it to have been taken.


:lol: :rolleyes: Fascist logic, if you don't mind me saying so. We were right, because there is no wrong.

"Whenever there is a conflict between human rights and property rights, human rights must prevail." - Abraham Lincoln

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I have NEVER heard a Marxist or any lefty in general say that "Africa is not diverse enough", only "Europe / the US / Australia, i.e., basically white homelands needs more diversity".
Why is that?


Straw man. I don't hear the left (non-jokingly) say that WE MUST DILUTE THE PURE WHITE BLOOD WITH DIVERSITY! We tend not to be so obsessed with race, in general, aside from providing a counterbalance to the right. My view, taking the high middle path here, is that immigration into Europe is good for economies; white immigration into Africa wouldn't help in terms of their native economies. Ah, corporations going over there and creating jobs, great, as long as there's sufficient overview, which there rarely is. I'm not going to say that Africa is as modern and awesome as Europe, because clearly it isn't, and I don't have the answers (aside from more liberal democracies being elected with local capitalist infrastructure), so I don't see the point of tossing the issue around. Just don't forget that it was the aliens that built the cathedrals, not the white men.

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And yes, I am a STRONG believer in private property.


Me too, but let's not let it become our life's obsession.

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As for Mexico, the disparity of wealth is due to internal exploitation; the rich in Mexico are very rich , everybody else has to bite dust.


So you advocate marxism for Mexico?

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Unfortunately, if we disregard the danger of Islam and focus only on the individual people, we will soon have a monster on our hands, and the land of Voltaire, Kant and Rousseau, of moral philosophy and critical reasoning, will be forced to choose- sacrifice the ideals of the enlightenment for the purpose of maintaining a multicultural diversity with Islam, or keep the ideals intact and take a harder line with Islamic expectations- no veils, limited numbers of mosques, strict controls on the teachings occurring in the mosques, and severe punishment for any man who dares treat a woman the way Islam endorses.


I'm not arguing that the ladies shouldn't be treated right, but I don't see how an enlightened society would introduce such draconian measures as limiting numbers of mosques built. That's what the Muslims did to the Jews, back in the day, no synagogues higher than a certain point. You're cutting your nose to spite your face - banning veils will keep the women who wear them at home, with absolutely no outside contact at all.


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