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You might want to define what nationhood is first.

It's sure as hell not the man in charge!

They lost Texas, just like you guys lost the original colonies, too bad.
I maintain that instead of Mexico's problem becoming our problem, they need to take care of their own country in whatever way works for them; I don't really care how they do it.
Funny though, these guys never speak out or demand their "civil rights" in Mexico, they only do so once they get here.
Also, the fact that the overwhelming majority of Hispanics are opposed to laws that seek to control their influx into this country just goes to show that for them La Raza trumps not only their adopted country's laws, but loyalty to it.
Hispanic mayor Villagrosa (sp?) in LA called for a boycott of Arizona, so, La Raza >>> national unity and commerce, and polls indicate that this idea is vastly supported by Hispanics.
I mean, I've never heard him call for a boycott of Mexico based on their harsh and strictly enforced immigration laws, which are 10x harder than ours.
Also interesting is that the only group that seems to be worried about the law is Mexicans.

Weeeell, that law does seem a bit draconian from over here, and what Mexicans do in their own country really should have nothing to do with the way they're treated in the US. All I ultimately know about the situation is that wise old proverb: no se juega con las leyes de los narcos-satanicos.

Unless thay are breaking our laws.
I'm not against immigration per se (I think a moratorium should be imposed until things start to pick up here, though), but it needs to be controlled.

I'll leave you with a quote from one of our luminaries from history:

You have the mind of a child.

I am glad to see that not all of European youth has it's collective head buried in the sand.
They will outbreed you guys very quickly at the rate that it is going on now; add to that equation continued immigration and the potential becomes exponential.
Needless to say, I agree with you.

It's yet to be explained to me how restricting the numbers of mosques will help; or how banning the veil will liberate Islamic women. That's just kneejerk populist bullshit that ultimately does more harm than good.



Good old Teddy. He's right in a lot of ways, but I think it's quite a multiculturalist viewpoint - obviously, pledge allegiance to the flag above all, but immigrants indeed shouldn't be hidden away in ghettos, but should be what they are, an important part of every country, whether economically-speaking or not. I think immigrants should learn English and join political parties and unions and whatnot, and become part of the country rather than a seperate entity - of course, this depends a lot on how accepting the natives are, and that can often be where things fall apart.

Completely agree. Why should women who choose to wear the veil, because statistically it is often French converts who wear the veil 6000 people in a country of how many, I believe is the statistic, anyways why should women who choose to wear the veil give it up just to put on the Western veil? Their are social implications in the West for women who don't wear makeup yet we completely overlook that. Before Europe criticizes the treatment of women in Islam, they should be analyzing their own treatment of women in the public sphere and the media. Mind you, I'm speaking about Islam and not Arab nations. The laws in Iran or other shithole sexist countries don't reflect the religion as much as one tries to make it seem.

Restricting mosques is like creating ghettos and is bullshit so I won't get into that.

Nobody is advocating ghettoes.
If you are ever fortunate enough to take a drive through any of our cities, you'll see that they are pretty balkanized.
Some places barely have signs / storefronts in english; it's literally like stepping into another country.
This was not forced by the native population, rather it is a self-imposed choice not to assimilate.

Eh, there are areas of Manchester that are like that, to take a local example. But it doesn't mean that the people themselves don't assimilate, as you see it all over rather than in one ghetto-y area - if they can't eat non-halal meat, for example, it makes good sense to set up halal butchers and takeaways, and advertise these to other Muslims in Arabic. Nothing wrong with that, it's not like English shops are used exclusively by the English - and many English people use Muslim-owned shops, myself included. The ultimate truth is that we're all the same, more or less, and remembering that as a starting stage for engaging with forriners is much better for all than focusing on the differences and blowing them up in importance. In the recent election, I had conversations with several Muslims who were clearly very religious, even wearing burkas - some were a little shy, but all were perfectly normal human beings.

They're asking for the capital which was made off of their work back, not the white people back. When the white corporations left they took all of the effort the people put in. The companies set it up to make people work for them contra their original lifestyles and then the company left them with nothing despite the effort they put out. It's called theft. They're starving because the food production became concentrated into white farmers and agribusiness and when those people were forced out of the country, there was no money to run the farms. I'm not positive so I won't say anything directly related to Zimbabwe but hyperinflation is commonly encouraged by the World Bank and IMF as can be seen in Chile. That can be supported by facts.


This account completely ignores what we received from them or what they had prior to our influence. You gauge everything by Western standards, the civilizations that existed before may not have had electricity but they had stability and credible values rather than the colonizers. The idea of a federal state which we have here in America came from Iroquois indians. We didn't just bring stuff to them, we took values from them. Our agriculture, for example, would be decrepit without the contributions of native Americans to the European system. In the 1600s, England imported some hundred thousands of tons of guano to fertilize the land because they essentially strip mined their fields.

As for the aid we've given them in terms of loans, it has come with loan conditions, opening up their closed economies to foreign companies, often Western companies which have made trillions on monopolizing and controlling these now open markets.

Social darwinism? Cool. Genocide by voluntary ignorance.

Why should we ignore history? You cited a stat from 50 years ago. I could've said that was "50 FUCKING YEARS AGO!!!!" too. They may have not had a concept of ownership but our concept should've applied to them as well and we should've recognized their right to the land they've worked. It's called theft. And to think that just because we had guns while they had arrows makes our actions justified then you're signing up for a world where the gangster down the street has a right to rape your wife since he had a gun and your wife didn't.


We imported those people. We forced their migration. If we didn't want them then we shouldn't have done what we've done in their countries. They are just trying to survive as you compel them to do. They bring their country into ours in the same manner as we brought our companies into their country neglecting their system of government.

This is what I'm talking about:



we've brought these people here so we should be accepting of them. We've touted ourselves as a melting pot and said bring it on yet when they get here we treat them like shit.

And don't get me wrong I love Western culture, I just detest some of the assumptions which have been assimilated into the mix over the years. I also have respect for what other people have done insofar as I want our culture to be respected.




You posted pictures of cathedrals, ignoring the fact that cathedrals were built off of money exploited from peasants in the countries which they were built in, the gold was imported from the Americas and Africa doesn't have the same types of wood to make the same types of building yet have made tons of epic accounts of architecture which you've just ignored.




This completely ignores how we've influenced their political process over the centuries. We've encouraged leaders which suit our interests through funding and fucked over more left-leaning leaders. This same thing can be seen in how Hugo Chavez is framed through the media. He is a lavish military dictator comparable to Stalin and not the person who people marched out in the streets en masse to put into power or voted to end term limits for, or the man who has given power to local committees for distribution of resources, or is working to get South America out of IMF debt.

Mexico's laws and class system directly reflect NAFTA's policies which we've benefited off of and have only harmed the Mexican people and American people for that matter. Yet you're more willing to hate them then the American companies who've fucked both groups over.[/quote]

There are also Jewish storefronts and signs in Hebrew, here in Cincinnati, are you pissed off at those too? It's often not a self-imposed choice as much as it is a reaction to the lack of possibilities to assimilate. If you want assimilation then you have to find ways of creating it yet you'd rather just hate them. Many of our ancestors, great, great grandparents and the like couldn't speak a lick of English when they came here yet there children learned. That's how immigration often works.

In Canada all the Islam vs normal culture issues have been easily solvable even though people have gotten all angry about people wearing veils while voting and other dumb shit like that.

Wrong. Money exploited from peasants?



Please read something besides Das Kapital, friend. Cathedrals were commissioned and funded by a city's guilds, which were the forerunners of trade unions - something that's more up your socialist alley, innit? Also, American gold? Anachronistic much? The great age of cathedrals was in the 13th and 14th century, so no native bouillon at all yet.

Africa may have tons of epic accounts... sure, but not anywhere near the equator Also, while some Arabic architecture may be impressive, the fact remains that all their technique was copied from ancient Roman and Persian styles, minus the iconography and plus some massively boring decorative patterns. Whereas Gothic architecture was much more innovative in almost all areas.

So uh, sorry, but no.

Nah the yanks can keep it, we dont want it anymore, its full of godamn Mexicans.

Y'know, ironically, some of the biggest opponents of immigrants can be found among... the immigrants. Interesting to see, always. In Belgium we've got Turks who dye their hair blonde and wear blue lenses.

Yes, that is how it works when there isn't a giant country of people speaking the same language as your own (Mexico) right back over the massive contiguous border. There isn't continuity between the Mexican immigration wave and the Italian/Polish/German ones which preceded it, where based on massive isolation from the home country, immigrants had no choice but to learn the language and completely forget their own within two generations.

If you're going to go down that route, you should follow it to its conclusion. Where did the guilds get their money from? Where did the people who gave the guilds their money get their money from? Try as you might you can't write those peasants out of the picture.

I wish I had the life experience to teach me why stores with non-English signs are so offensive. Usually I see barbers or groceries with Asian writing and I think "oh hey, asian place" :(