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Seems very odd to me. Why couldn't they have split the district? I dislike this vote-for-a-member-of-your-own-race thing - it rarely happens here, because any public representative who doesn't represent all of his constituents whatever their race, colour or creed is doing a bad job and will be hung, drawn and quartered in the media, let alone the ballot box. There's none of this "vote for me, I'm black/jewish/asian" stuff that I've seen - even Diane Abbott hasn't been doing much of that.


It's the new Amerika; they may as well just dispense with the masquerade and be done with it.
A lot of people are not happy with this, we'll see if the span of their anger outlasts the next episode of the reality show du jour.


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Constituency boundaries should not go around racial groups, but split them up to avoid situations like this. Multiple votes for single people is truly ridiculous.


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Seems very odd to me. Why couldn't they have split the district? I dislike this vote-for-a-member-of-your-own-race thing - it rarely happens here, because any public representative who doesn't represent all of his constituents whatever their race, colour or creed is doing a bad job and will be hung, drawn and quartered in the media, let alone the ballot box. There's none of this "vote for me, I'm black/jewish/asian" stuff that I've seen - even Diane Abbott hasn't been doing much of that.


It's the new Amerika; they may as well just dispense with the masquerade and be done with it.
A lot of people are not happy with this, we'll see if the span of their anger outlasts the next episode of the reality show du jour.


I think the simple solution is to only allow people to vote in English. Nothing should have ever been made publicly available in any other language. Too late, now...


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That seems screwy even to me.


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Boris, a king amongst paupers.


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I can cope with everything in the budget but the VAT increase. That's a bit :lame: . Seems pretty balanced and fair-minded otherwise.


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Haiti is a prime example: it was during French rule a bountiful and flourishing island, but when the black uprising occurred and all the French were slaughtered, they really ran it into the ground, didn't they?
Just reading about Haiti a little and found this, "after two decades of embargo [preceding the revolution], France only established trade and diplomatic relations in 1825, and Haiti had to agree to pay 150 million francs as 'compensation' for the lost of its slaves. This sum, roughly equal to the French annual budget at the time, was later cut to 90 million, but it continued to be a heavy burden which prevented any economic growth: at the end of the nineteenth century, Haiti's payments to France consumed around 80 percent of the national budget, and the last installment was paid in 1947".

On top of that, Bush Sr. only allowed an overthrown president to return to power if he accepted to eliminate trade barriers. Highly subsidized US agribusiness floods their market and all the Haitian farmers have to pack up and move to the cities, forced into poverty.

That sure does sound like the fault of evil white men throughout the years. In 2004 celebrating the anniversary of the Haitain revolution, Aristide demanded France return the money Haiti paid but was rejected. Why should Haitians face economic sanctions for doing what the French did during the French revolution and what America would come to wage war over and agree to by the end of the Civil War, that is, emancipation and rights for blacks?

I don't want to beat a dead horse but this was one fact which I could never find before and really wanted to challenge but just never had a source.


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Haiti is a prime example: it was during French rule a bountiful and flourishing island, but when the black uprising occurred and all the French were slaughtered, they really ran it into the ground, didn't they?
Just reading about Haiti a little and found this, "after two decades of embargo [preceding the revolution], France only established trade and diplomatic relations in 1825, and Haiti had to agree to pay 150 million francs as 'compensation' for the lost of its slaves. This sum, roughly equal to the French annual budget at the time, was later cut to 90 million, but it continued to be a heavy burden which prevented any economic growth: at the end of the nineteenth century, Haiti's payments to France consumed around 80 percent of the national budget, and the last installment was paid in 1947".

On top of that, Bush Sr. only allowed an overthrown president to return to power if he accepted to eliminate trade barriers. Highly subsidized US agribusiness floods their market and all the Haitian farmers have to pack up and move to the cities, forced into poverty.

That sure does sound like the fault of evil white men throughout the years. In 2004 celebrating the anniversary of the Haitain revolution, Aristide demanded France return the money Haiti paid but was rejected. Why should Haitians face economic sanctions for doing what the French did during the French revolution and what America would come to wage war over and agree to by the end of the Civil War, that is, emancipation and rights for blacks?

I don't want to beat a dead horse but this was one fact which I could never find before and really wanted to challenge but just never had a source.


Evil white men?
Maybe it's inferior black men.
I mean, the fact that a small global minority can control every facet of blacks lives world-fucking-wide, kind of suggests that, no?
Is that what you are saying?
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Any group that allows a small minority to just come in and take over, and mysteriously dictate their fate (EVEN AFTER THE MINORITY HAS LONG FLED IN THE WIND!) deserves nothing less.

No mention of "Evil black men" like every African tin-pot dictator that treats his country like his own personal playground? No mention of the Rwanada genocide? Somehow, I'm sure you'll come up with some textbook excerpt to claim it was White mans' fault.
No mention of the fact that the slave trade was by and large a matter of just that; trading, for surely an educated man such as yourself knows that the majority of slaves were already enslaved by whatever conquering tribe had captured them to begin with.
And that slavery is still rampant today, mainly practiced by... you ready?
AFRICANS.
Who ended slavery? Oh, right, dose Eebil White debils.

Wow, a shocker; another excuse pulled out that bottomless bag of excuses meted out hourly for everything that blacks have failed at.
Never saw that one coming...

Why is it that Every. Single. Other. Group. is moving ahead, economically, technologically and intellectually, but somehow blacks just can't?

I love how when blacks fail, it's the fault of others, yet when they excel at something (sports, for instance), it's due to their own merit; yet when whites fail it is STILL their own fault, and when they are succesful at something (organization, planning, inventing, etc.), it's due to "white privilige", and not merit... the only people that believe in this utter nonsense (thankfully) are brainwashed Marxists.
Anybody else with half a fucking brain sees that bullshit for what it is.


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Speaking of blacks, this is interesting:

http://ephphatha-poetry.blogspot.com/20 ... -wise.html


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Speaking of blacks, this is interesting:

http://ephphatha-poetry.blogspot.com/20 ... -wise.html



Calling conservatives racist and gun crazy is hardly interesting. It's rather old-hat actually.


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Makes an interesting point about the tea party, though, I'd say it was more than you give it credit for.


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Makes an interesting point about the tea party, though, I'd say it was more than you give it credit for.



He took a rather large political movement, picked out the crazies, and then painted everybody with a big ass brush. Rather typical attempt to marginalize a political movement you disagree with.

He acts as if the past 8 years haven't happened. George W. was hung in effigy a billion times and people saying all kinds of nonsense about him. Plenty of it posted on this very site. Not saying he was the greatest president ever or anything, but the pure hatred that he got pummeled with on a daily basis was ridiculous.

So, Obama comes in and everybody doesn't put on the kid gloves with him. Therefore, people are racist. His "let's imagine" game is just summing up the last 4 years of the Bush presidency.


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Imagine that hundreds of black protesters were to descend upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia, just a few miles from the Capitol and White House, armed with AK-47s, assorted handguns, and ammunition. And imagine that some of these protesters —the black protesters — spoke of the need for political revolution, and possibly even armed conflict in the event that laws they didn’t like were enforced by the government?


happened under Bush? This whole 'don't tread on me' thing seems purely a Tea Party fad.


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Imagine that hundreds of black protesters were to descend upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia, just a few miles from the Capitol and White House, armed with AK-47s, assorted handguns, and ammunition. And imagine that some of these protesters —the black protesters — spoke of the need for political revolution, and possibly even armed conflict in the event that laws they didn’t like were enforced by the government?


happened under Bush? This whole 'don't tread on me' thing seems purely a Tea Party fad.



I'm not saying everything is exactly the same. Obviously liberals wouldn't be having gun rallies, they aren't big on gun ownership. I'm saying that the underlying hate is the same. So, saying this whole movement is racist is a farce. Unless, of course, you are willing to turn around and say all the Bush hate was racist, which, of course, nobody would say.


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All he's doing, as far as I can see, is pointing out that if the Tea Party was black and saying things about revolutions, people's reactions would be far different, and what that says about black/white perceptions. Doesn't really compare with Bush, since that never happened in his time - whatever the 'hurr wouldn't life be better if he was dead' brigade say, liberals didn't get armed up and make out like they were fighting the second war of independence. Just interesting to observe from a British viewpoint, is all.


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You can turn it around and say: imagine if a movement called The Race was formed by whites for whites with the slogan "For the race everything, outside the race nothing"; a white professor called for the extermination of blacks on c-span (Kamau Kambon); if a white presidential nominee sat in a church and listened to sermons critical of blacks,whose reverend honored David Duke; a white thug was filmed intimidating black voters without being punished by the AG; a white attorney general stating that "hate crime protection doesn't apply to blacks"; a white Caucus; a situation where whites are in the minority (most anywhere in california, for instance), where they are allowed to vote six times; I can go on and on and include not only politics, but double standards in the media and social issues as well.
Imagine if whites were offing blacks at a rate of 80 times that of blacks offing whites, or white men raping black women in astronmically disparate proportions to the opposite order, or that if white bastardy rates were up around 70%, or if white gangs were making city streets into virtual warzones.
Imagine if a group of 4-5 whites, kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered a young black couple (Knoxville massacre)... it would be international news, and there would be the usual parade of rabble-rousers, yet, since it was just a couple of white kids that got murdered, it barely made a squeak in the news.
I can supply literally countless examples of black on white mayhem that never gets a mention outside of the local news outlet, and even then buried in the back.

Or a White Entertainment Television network, or any white advocay group, for that matter... not to mention any club that is exclusively white.

Google racist+double+standards, there are plenty of instances out there.

And this "journalist" is worried about a group of Americans that are not in line with this ultra liberal wealth redistributer Obama? And has the gall to say they are "racist"?

A perfect example of why that word has become one of the most useless words in the English language.


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Google racist+double+standards, there are plenty of instances out there.


First result:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04792.html

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But seriously, does Obama have some socialist (not liberal, get your terminology right) wealth distribution program that the American media has somehow kept hidden from the rest of the world? Because we've heard nothing about it over here.


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Google racist+double+standards, there are plenty of instances out there.


First result:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04792.html

:P

But seriously, does Obama have some socialist (not liberal, get your terminology right) wealth distribution program that the American media has somehow kept hidden from the rest of the world? Because we've heard nothing about it over here.


Tolerance, my ass.
They just threw a bunch of them in jail.

And of course the author assumes that it is because Obama is black, and not as far left as they come.
Liberal, socialist, same bullshit, as far as I'm concerned.
And surprise again; the author looks black, so of course it's all about race.


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Erm, they are completely different things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

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Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, "of freedom") is the belief in the importance of liberty and equality.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

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Socialism is an economic and political theory based on public ownership or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.


Thinking Obama is "far left" shows a woeful lack of knowledge of the political compass.


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