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after getting remastered(remixed) version I would score this about 83/100


Really?,i bought the old version when it came out.and a friend of mine just recently bought the remastered version,and i didnt hear any major differences,i actually told to him that it sounded the same,well maybe its beacause i havent heard that album in a long time.


I am not sure, but I think it sounds better, I think there are some subtle changes and sound quality sounds better. I find it now very enjoyable. Plus some nice bonus tracks.


Ok,Ive just compared both,and yes it does sounds a bit better,i think the bass is now more higher in the mix.


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I often wonder why this is the only Megadeth album to use Eb tuning. Mustaine also used Eb tuning on The Craving but reverted back to standard tuning for Cryptic Writings. He also plays the Youthanasia songs live with standard tuning (which sucks, because most of them DO NOT SOUND GOOD WITH STANDARD TUNING, as the A Tout Le Monde remake on United Abominations nicely demonstrates).

Perhaps Mustaine reverted back to standard tuning so that he wouldn't sound too much like Metallica (who began using Eb tuning around the same time Youthanasia came out)?


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I often wonder why this is the only Megadeth album to use Eb tuning. Mustaine also used Eb tuning on The Craving but reverted back to standard tuning for Cryptic Writings. He also plays the Youthanasia songs live with standard tuning (which sucks, because most of them DO NOT SOUND GOOD WITH STANDARD TUNING, as the A Tout Le Monde remake on United Abominations nicely demonstrates).

Perhaps Mustaine reverted back to standard tuning so that he wouldn't sound too much like Metallica (who began using Eb tuning around the same time Youthanasia came out)?
Maybe he wanted to be hip by using the down-tuned nu metal sound? ;) I think Youthanasia came out before Load, or not?


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Yep.
October 24th, 1994 for Youthanasia and June 4th, 1996 for Load. But Metallica took a bolder move with Load than Megadeth did with Youthanasia.


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Hmmm, I'm not the biggest Youthanasia fan, because all songs are slow and toooooo melodic and too mainstream polished, but it's still much better than Load.


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Actually, Youthanasia came out November 1, 1994. Metallica, however, begin recording demos for Load in late November of that same year (all of which used Eb tuning).

And MetalWarrior, Youthanasia was recorded before Korn's debut even came out. The "downtuned style" still had a couple more years to go before it became popular.


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Didn't Pantera already used it by then ? :unsure:


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Didn't Pantera already used it by then ? :unsure:


Welllllllllllll, sort of. The songs on Cowboys From Hell all use standard tuning. However, from Vulgar Display Of Power onward, the band typically tuned their guitars down a quarter step. Actually, on many VDOP songs, the band seems to teeter between E tuning and Eb tuning, D tuning and Db tuning, etc. However, from Far Beyond Driven onward, the band clearly tuned down a quarter step for almost every song (except Drag The Waters, which clearly uses C# tuning, and Suicide Note Part 1, which uses D tuning).


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Hmmm, I'm not the biggest Youthanasia fan, because all songs are slow and toooooo melodic and too mainstream polished, but it's still much better than Load.


And much better than Risk. I'd take Youthanasia over Risk any day of the week.


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I'm a huge Megadeth fan but I tend to burn myself out on them a lot and they'll go away for a few months, and then one of their songs will come up somehow or another either on my playlist or on TV/radio/bar whatever... And I'm totally in love again.

That being said this is one of my favorite Megadeth albums. I think just about all the songs are pretty badass, and it's a bit different sounding than the usual Megadeth fare... Which is probably why I dig it so much. This thing definitely needs another 20 points.


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Peace Sells...But Who's Buying? is the best they did.

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Peace Sells...But Who's Buying? is the best they did.

end of story
Doesn't mean it has to be one's favorite. This album is much more kickass than I remembered. Actually I've been blaring it for the last few weeks consistently.


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Peace Sells...But Who's Buying? is the best they did.

end of story
Doesn't mean it has to be one's favorite. This album is much more kickass than I remembered. Actually I've been blaring it for the last few weeks consistently.


This album kicks ass I agree. But PSBWB is THÉ album for Megadeth.


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I think this is an awesome album for a commercial metal release and I think it's pretty good in the grand scheme of Megadeth.


It's not Thrash Metal but neither was Countdown To Extinction (or really any Megadeth album after Peace Sells...) but it's really good Heavy Metal.

Mind you I do wish they followed the same path that they took with the song 99 Ways To Die, which is one of my favourite songs.


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Eb or D# has a laid back character in the note itself, which is why songs written in that key sound weird when played in E and vice-versa. I think it only sounds really good on upbeat stuff, like BS's "Wishing Well."

I seriously think some people only like songs in E because all the notes sound the way they are supposed to. The same chord progressions that everyone plays sound very different in D#, a fact I can't seem to get cover bands to understand.

I some people really hate the way a D note sounds as the root too, which is why Drop D tuning is so hated among old school metal fans. Rush used it during their 80's new wave period but Alex always played an octave higher so it never sounded low or grungy. But the notes had that same character. A lot of people really hate those songs. Power Windows has a few in F#, which I love, but to some people it sounds twangy or bright.

Just some things to keep in mind. This is why I don't worship Black Sabbath like a lot of people. I especially dislike the D# Blues scale because the A note (or whatever interval between the P4 and P5 is) can either sound diminished or augmented. It just depends on how you hear it. I happen to hear it as some off-key and grating tone. Tony Iommi probably hears it as a really melodic note where he uses it.

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Tony Iommi > you


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Tony Iommi > you


With all due respect to Tony, I can play a guitar in Nashville Tuning unlike him. But we both in the "I got part of my fingers cut off at work" club. Mine is not that bad. I only cut off half of front side of my right-hand thumb.

In any event, no, it is not a matter of who is better nor is it anything either of us has any control over. I don't know which I hear, but you either hear the tri-tone as a Diminished 5th or an Augmented 4th, but I can damn well guarantee that this is dependent on key too.

I can write stuff he would never think sounds good and he writes stuff that i'll never think sounds good because of that one little note sounding a little sharp to one of us and a little flat to the other one. It isn't a matter of opinion if your brain says "that guy is off key" subliminally.

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Peace Sells...But Who's Buying? is the best they did.

end of story


That's also one of my top albums but I don't really think it's all that consistent. I just really love the song Peace Sells.

Although saying a Megadeth album is one of my favorites probably isn't going to mean much because I'm likely to say that about all of them. Well outside of The System Has Failed.


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That's also one of my top albums but I don't really think it's all that consistent.


Really? Wow. Pretty damn solid album if you ask me, my first Megadeth.


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One of my least favourite Megadeth albums but still a good one. I'd probally bump the score up by about 10 points.


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