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But then where does it go? Prohibition becomes the new theses which an antithesis will rise to. History didn't stop in 1989.

I really agree with that Burchill quote yet Emma Goldman saw prostitution as a way for women to control their sexuality counter to the sexual control within marriage which Russell describes in that quote. If women could choose who and when they have sex to for profit it would be a much better system yet I can't see how the current legalized systems can meet this requirement. I can't see how even then Goldman's proposal would be truly desirable but for some it might be.

I don't see what's morally wrong about prostitution tbh

What is wrong is the exploitation of it by a third party, not the act in itself.

You're assuming that every woman views prostitution the same way- as something debasing or humiliating. I don't think prostitution is a glamorous profession, but what does that have to do with anything? Neither is taking out the trash. It's a job, people are willing to pay for it, and others are willing to do it. My main beef is with the assumption that every woman views prostitution that way. Of course there should be a social system where women have every opportunity to provide for themselves without prostituting themselves, but there would still be prostitution in this sort of perfect society.

And no, I did not say that a 13 year old girl deserved to get raped, nor did I side with Nambla, I simply pointed out validity of the moral relativism that they toy with. Their conclusions are utter rubbish, and Nambla are a bunch of sick fucks.

How come?

I'd also add the whole exploitation factor of using a woman as a cum dumpster.

Because it's easier for some girls to sell their body than find another job. Because some girls love it. Because there'll still be man to buy that kind of service. Etc.

Actually, condoms are the cum dumpsters.

Figures. The whole point of legalisation is that you're liberating the people caught up in it, giving them the choice that they currently don't have. Currently in legalised brothels (Nevada, is it?) the prostitutes have the choice of who they have sex with there and aren't forced into it.



If the woman chooses to do that, then it isn't exploitation.

It might go somewhere, it might not. It might be something which constantly ebbs and flows between extremes, coming full circle until the end of time. That's what happens when you have a need that stays constant (male libido), and a constant clearing of the slate (a new male is born). Really I was just trying to play the philosophy game.

Also, note I said regulation was the new "theses", not prohibition. It might be such a good solution that no "antitheses" will rise, or all subsequent "theses" are merely changes in regulations as has happened with mixed economies throughout the world.

But they really aren't ever provided a choice to participate or not to participate in the newly created sex industry if another opportunity isn't provided for them which isn't simply prostitution. So legalize it but create ways to get out of it if desired. In legalized systems, they choose insofar as they have the choice of whether they want to take on enough customers to pay their bills or not.

Her choice doesn't occur in a vacuum. The money within each transaction influences her choice. She isn't free to make the decision. The same could be said about any woman who opts for a husband for money.

You played it right but there are different outlets for male libido then purchasing a woman.

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imo that's still choosing. Just because someone would make as much having sex with two dudes as she would working a week of minimum wage doesn't mean she's forced into prostitution. I've spoken to social workers and that's usually the main reason why it's hard to stop doing, and imo that still counts as a choice. I don't see how prostitution is any more using someone as a cum dumpster than hooking up with them for a night would be.

That makes a lot of sense. I was framing it as she doesn't have a choice in the same way which I personally choose to work. A null option insofar as I have bills and need to eat. The legitimate choice to prostitute comes in when the woman or man chooses to fuck two people rather than work 30 hours a week. My moral convictions lead me to disapprove of this for the selling of intimacy but whatever. The person opting for prostitution reflects either the individual or society? I lean towards society.

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Once legalized it essentially would be equatable to stripping and pornography, which both still have drug use problems and domination present in illegal prostitution rings. If the government doesn't protect people what does it do?

Women and men can share the same roles and it affect them both in completely different ways. I've actually done minor research into male prostitution and had this on a powerpoint for school.

-Male prostitution occurs in safer and less open venues, i.e., less street-walking and more escort services and meeting in clubs.
-Men who cater to gay clientele can earn six figure incomes.
-Poststructural critical theorist, Langston Douglas, concluded that patriarchal-defined roles lead male prostitutes to take less submissive roles as compared to their female counterparts.

Totally different systems.

Wow, way to focus on one section of a group and totally ignore another. Yes, Trapt, rent boys have it easy. Christ.