Anyone still listen to CD or Flac/Ape?

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

IMHO, Don't worry if you can hear it. You will notice it when the "clipping" doesn't exist anymore in any audible fashion (okay, so there exceptions). Just worry about if the Hardware can support it.

Winamp can do everything Itunes does better. It can manage your Ipod, Run FLAC, work in 24-bits both ways. What advantage does everyone think Itunes has?

Of course I forget not everyone wants to go back to Windows XP, which is basically mandatory for an audio computer IMO. I haven't heard of anyone having problems with winamp with vista or 7. Just one specific DSP that I use didn't work with XP and it was critical enough to warrant downgrading.

Goat · **Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:18 pm

Hey Addy, can I ask you about your thoughts on this?

Bruce_Bitenfils · **Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:35 pm

Adveser wrote:

IMHO, Don't worry if you can hear it. You will notice it when the "clipping" doesn't exist anymore in any audible fashion (okay, so there exceptions). Just worry about if the Hardware can support it.

Winamp can do everything Itunes does better. It can manage your Ipod, Run FLAC, work in 24-bits both ways. What advantage does everyone think Itunes has?

Of course I forget not everyone wants to go back to Windows XP, which is basically mandatory for an audio computer IMO. I haven't heard of anyone having problems with winamp with vista or 7. Just one specific DSP that I use didn't work with XP and it was critical enough to warrant downgrading.

I'm on a MacBook Pro. iTunes came installed with it, I didn't bother install something else. I like winamp (used to use it on a win7 PC I hardly use anymore), but what I love about iTunes is the powerful search function which gives you results while you're typing. A minute ago, I searched for Bolt Thrower albums. I hardly had to type "bol" that I had what I wanted. Quick and effective, everything I love. Plus, you know, shiny album covers.

But I'll try winamp on the mac.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:57 pm

cry of the banshee wrote:

it's not enough that it has tremolo picking, scissor drums, and shreiking vox. It has to have the element of genuine malice / sorrow / darkness / cold... call it the glue that binds it all together, if you like. Or, the "black" in black metal.

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"progressive" elements have no place in black metal, and that goes for double-latte drinking, tree-hugging anarcho lefty politics as well.

Panopticon rides this contradiction to the bank.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:18 pm

traptunderice wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

it's not enough that it has tremolo picking, scissor drums, and shreiking vox. It has to have the element of genuine malice / sorrow / darkness / cold... call it the glue that binds it all together, if you like. Or, the "black" in black metal.

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"progressive" elements have no place in black metal, and that goes for double-latte drinking, tree-hugging anarcho lefty politics as well.

Panopticon rides this contradiction to the bank.

Negatory.
Quasi black metal, at best.

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

Bruce_Bitenfils wrote:

Adveser wrote:

IMHO, Don't worry if you can hear it. You will notice it when the "clipping" doesn't exist anymore in any audible fashion (okay, so there exceptions). Just worry about if the Hardware can support it.

Winamp can do everything Itunes does better. It can manage your Ipod, Run FLAC, work in 24-bits both ways. What advantage does everyone think Itunes has?

Of course I forget not everyone wants to go back to Windows XP, which is basically mandatory for an audio computer IMO. I haven't heard of anyone having problems with winamp with vista or 7. Just one specific DSP that I use didn't work with XP and it was critical enough to warrant downgrading.

I'm on a MacBook Pro. iTunes came installed with it, I didn't bother install something else. I like winamp (used to use it on a win7 PC I hardly use anymore), but what I love about iTunes is the powerful search function which gives you results while you're typing. A minute ago, I searched for Bolt Thrower albums. I hardly had to type "bol" that I had what I wanted. Quick and effective, everything I love. Plus, you know, shiny album covers.

But I'll try winamp on the mac.

Sorry you can't :(

Unless you have parallels installed or something similar to run windows at the same time.

IDK if everything would work at that point without having a USB sound card that is tested as working with it. I doubt Virtual software can directly interface with your "real" hardware. USB is unaffected by that however.

I don't know your financial situation, but If I had a couple hundred I would pick up a 2 year old laptop with XP on it. You probably aren't as OCD about this stuff as me.

I suffered having a mac once, so you have my sympathy.

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

Goat wrote:

Hey Addy, can I ask you about your thoughts on this?

Here are my Blabbermouth comments in Chronological order. The last one was on the page you linked. You must have missed it. My opinion now is that if it included a Hi-Res Stereo, I want it. It will take about 1.5 gigs of HD space, but it'll be worth it. The 5.1 is of no interest to someone with tower speakers and no 5.1 system at all.

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Will there be a 24-bit stereo version also included?

I could care less about 5.1. I like Bass in stereo and a tower speaker should be using the room acoustics to create a 3D stereo field anyway.

Bring on the 24-bit remasters and let's forget this gimmicky crap.

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I want 24-bit remasters instead, not to dis this reissue, but 5.1 is not for me.

I'd have the buy the whole catalog for the 4th time in 10 years, but it would be worth it.

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Texas Dog is wrong.

The reason 24-bit is necessary is because very high frequencies start getting masked by the noise floor and dither. The HF info is responsible for accurate life-like timbre. Not only that, but during quiet passages, digital truncates bit-depth and sounds noisy and inaccurate. When you are dealing with 20 and 24-bit the samples never get quiet enough to start degrading the quality.

Even so, many first generation CD's were the vinyl masters thrown on a CD that were no better than 14-bits.

Looks like this edition will contain a high-quality stereo mix, but I wonder if it is sourced directly from the master tapes at 24-bits for this edition or they simply threw the 20-bit transfers from the Rush Remasters on a disc. Hopefully it will be a new transfer. If that is the case, I am definitely in.

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Yeah, it was fine the firsttime when it was loaded into the Sony DIGITAL mixing board. (note to MR: this was sarcasm at a previous comment saying it was fine "the first time" on vinyl, tape, cd, ect.)

Come on. This album was NEVER an all-analogue production, so a 24-bit DVD-Audio release is both justified and demanded.

I'll buy one since it has 24-bit transfers of the classic mix. I don't care about the 5.1 mix...

By the way, Rush has a 100% analogue mix in the archives (or used to) they could theoretically make Vinyl out of, but the band "wouldn't have even considered using it" in 1981 for the vinyl master. They used the digital master.

Bruce_Bitenfils · **Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:53 pm

Adveser wrote:

Bruce_Bitenfils wrote:

But I'll try winamp on the mac.

Sorry you can't :(

Unless you have parallels installed or something similar to run windows at the same time.

Fuck. The mac belongs to the university employing me, and it didn't felt Parallels (or any virtual machine) was an absolute necessity. I have a PC running win7, but it's a pain turn it on just to listen to music. Besides, it consumes an outrageous amount of power. And it's noisy as hell.

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I don't know your financial situation,

Atrocious.

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but If I had a couple hundred I would pick up a 2 year old laptop with XP on it. You probably aren't as OCD about this stuff as me.

I'm not, indeed.

But I find this very interesting, I'm keen on listening to the music I love in the best possible conditions (but aren't we all ?)

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I suffered having a mac once, so you have my sympathy.

There are worse fates

AlexandeR · **Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:12 pm

Bruce, if you want to play .flac in your iTunes, use Fluke
http://code.google.com/p/flukeformac/

The guy who said "I suffered having a mac once", is an idiot. Nothing beats a mac, not even lesbians. I have a MacBook Pro 17", it slays. Have Windows XP and Linux installed too. I use OSX for work (i'm a graphic designer), XP for piracy and gaming, and Linux only because I'm a presumptuous bastard

Been working with mac's for 10 years, not going to change that EVER!

Bruce_Bitenfils · **Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:21 pm

Thanks Alex, gonna install this right away ! And yes, MacBook Pros are very (very, very) good machines indeed. Gotta make at least a dual boot with win7, though. And they cost you an arm, a leg and half a ball to buy.

AlexandeR · **Posted:** Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:41 pm

Bruce_Bitenfils wrote:

Thanks Alex, gonna install this right away ! And yes, MacBook Pros are very (very, very) good machines indeed. Gotta make at least a dual boot with win7, though. And they cost you an arm, a leg and half a ball to buy.

They are expensive, yes. I'd to kill a man just to get one, literally.

North From Here · **Posted:** Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:24 am

cry of the banshee wrote:

it's not enough that it has tremolo picking, scissor drums, and shreiking vox. It has to have the element of genuine malice / sorrow / darkness / cold... call it the glue that binds it all together, if you like. Or, the "black" in black metal.

Quote:

"progressive" elements have no place in black metal, and that goes for double-latte drinking, tree-hugging anarcho lefty politics as well.

Panopticon rides this contradiction to the bank.

Negatory.
Quasi black metal, at best.

I still like the term 'green metal' to describe the hippie American sound. There is the potential for compromise here, I think.

Rhys · **Posted:** Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:02 am

cry of the banshee wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

it's not enough that it has tremolo picking, scissor drums, and shreiking vox. It has to have the element of genuine malice / sorrow / darkness / cold... call it the glue that binds it all together, if you like. Or, the "black" in black metal.

Quote:

"progressive" elements have no place in black metal, and that goes for double-latte drinking, tree-hugging anarcho lefty politics as well.

Panopticon rides this contradiction to the bank.

Negatory.
Quasi black metal, at best.

A lot of recent black metal albums are missing the black in black metal. Sad really.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:23 am

emperorblackdoom wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

it's not enough that it has tremolo picking, scissor drums, and shreiking vox. It has to have the element of genuine malice / sorrow / darkness / cold... call it the glue that binds it all together, if you like. Or, the "black" in black metal.

Quote:

"progressive" elements have no place in black metal, and that goes for double-latte drinking, tree-hugging anarcho lefty politics as well.

Panopticon rides this contradiction to the bank.

Negatory.
Quasi black metal, at best.

I still like the term 'green metal' to describe the hippie American sound. There is the potential for compromise here, I think.

This is such bullshit. His anguish is against oppression not against human beings boo fucking hoo.

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

New theory:

Depending on the person, The perception of musical notes (especially determining pitch) and sound (timbre) is dependent on individual perception of the point of resolution. The reason someone can't tell the difference between MP3 and Lossless is because their ear does not need the extended fidelity to properly resolve notes. Someone requiring extreme fidelity feels uncomfortable with notes that his or her brain cannot determine precisely because the point of stability is completely missing or distorted.

Bruce_Bitenfils · **Posted:** Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:52 pm

Are you finished with ditching/replacing your mp3s ?

North From Here · **Posted:** Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:43 pm

traptunderice wrote:

emperorblackdoom wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

it's not enough that it has tremolo picking, scissor drums, and shreiking vox. It has to have the element of genuine malice / sorrow / darkness / cold... call it the glue that binds it all together, if you like. Or, the "black" in black metal.

Quote:

"progressive" elements have no place in black metal, and that goes for double-latte drinking, tree-hugging anarcho lefty politics as well.

Panopticon rides this contradiction to the bank.

Negatory.
Quasi black metal, at best.

I still like the term 'green metal' to describe the hippie American sound. There is the potential for compromise here, I think.

This is such bullshit. His anguish is against oppression not against human beings boo fucking hoo.

I am perfectly fine with denying all of you hipsters any black metal legitimacy too. Protest the Hero called: Rody wants all you dweebs in skinny jeans back. Particularly the ones with the stupid nose rings.

Goat · **Posted:** Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:46 pm

So much for the potential to compromise!

Seriously, who cares what it's called? Legitimacy is in the eye of the beholder.

Adveser · **Joined:** Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 am **Posts:** 2491

Bruce_Bitenfils wrote:

Are you finished with ditching/replacing your mp3s ?

The score so far is 261 for FLAC, 250 MP3's left to replace. About 50 of the MP3 albums are likely going to be impossible to find on FLAC so I gotta buy the CD's.

Plus i'm reducing my Pop/Hard Rock singles collection significantly and replacing it with FLAC. I have about 6000 tracks which are every song I remember hearing on the radio whether I like it or not. I've gone through them before and can easily get it down to under 1000 and not delete anything I actually want to hear.

North From Here · **Posted:** Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:43 pm

Goat wrote:

:lol: So much for the potential to compromise!

Seriously, who cares what it's called? Legitimacy is in the eye of the beholder.

Yeah, I had just been looking for a chance to make fun of his nose ring. :lol:

Yes, these arguments don't lead very far. I will listen to Panopticon later tonight again and decide in my own mind if I can call it black metal or not. And then I will keep my conclusions to myself.

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