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 Post subject: GZR - Ohmwork (#2801)
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:02 pm 
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GZR - Ohmwork
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:24 pm 
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Wow. Not much going on this week.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:41 pm 
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Mike wrote:
I don't know if Butler has simply surrounded himself with poor musicians, or if he's just forgotten what metal is all about.


I think that's the problem. Remember Metallica and St. Anger. Even the mighty Priest flirted a little with nu-metal on Demolition. Now Butler. I think some of the guys in these big bands somehow lose contact with real metal fans and with what real metal is. They probably watch MTV and read Kerrang and start to believe that metal fans (also) listen to nu-metal. And then, they try to deliver it. Unlike people in Soilwork or In Flames, guys in Metallica or Black Sabbath should be by now quite rich, so I don't really think it's about money and trying to match trends in order to sell many albums. They probably sincerely think this is what most fans expect. Could be Butler's case.


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Mike wrote:
I don't know if Butler has simply surrounded himself with poor musicians, or if he's just forgotten what metal is all about.


I think that's the problem. Remember Metallica and St. Anger. Even the mighty Priest flirted a little with nu-metal on Demolition. Now Butler. I think some of the guys in these big bands somehow lose contact with real metal fans and with what real metal is. They probably watch MTV and read Kerrang and start to believe that metal fans (also) listen to nu-metal. And then, they try to deliver it. Unlike people in Soilwork or In Flames, guys in Metallica or Black Sabbath should be by now quite rich, so I don't really think it's about money and trying to match trends in order to sell many albums. They probably sincerely think this is what most fans expect. Could be Butler's case.


Finally, somebody sees things my way. For the record, I don't think Metallica made St. Anger the way they did just to enlarge their paychecks. I think the band seriously thought nu-metal was what all the metal fans were listening to and was what they wanted them to be playing. Plus, remember that even Ozzy flirted with a little nu-metal on Down To Earth, Anthrax with We've Come For You All, and Slayer with their last two albums. I think whether we may like it or not, a lot of metal bands do find the whole nu-metal scene fascinating and try to experiment a little with it.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:51 pm 
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Changing your sound to what you perceive as being 'in' (whether or not it actually is) is still the cardinal sin, though. There's no debating that.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:35 pm 
Funny how Metal Hammer magazine gave it 8/10. i do tire of their hype/bandwagon jumping, like they did with system of a down


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:44 pm 
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Funny how Metal Hammer magazine gave it 8/10. i do tire of their hype/bandwagon jumping, like they did with system of a down


more like they got loads of promo stuff & advertisment in their pages ! sell-outs ! :evil:


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so is this album really that bad?


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Radagast wrote:
Changing your sound to what you perceive as being 'in' (whether or not it actually is) is still the cardinal sin, though. There's no debating that.


Didn't BS once changed its sound to a more heavy metal oriented one with dio? he is just trying to see if he can still cut it with the actual scene. some of the big bands have lost contact with the metal world, thats a shame.


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(Runs outside in the pouring rain and drops to knees) "ET TU GEEZER? NOOOOOOO!"

Seriouisly though I have yet to hear the album yet but as far as him being out of touch I agree. If he was keeping up with current trends wouldnt he have made a Metalcore record? Either way very sad indeed.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:46 am 
I've heard two songs and they were horrendous! Mainly because the vocals suck and the melodies, or hooks are none existent. At least on the two songs I heard.


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I've heard two songs and they were horrendous! Mainly because the vocals suck and the melodies, or hooks are none existent. At least on the two songs I heard.


Bingo! Just apply that description to each of the ten tracks, and you're set. As I mentioned in the review, find that farting quartet, and your ears will be at ease compared to the yahoo singing on this album.


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bands changing their sound cuz they think nu-crap is the 'in' thing just shows that these bands arent very much in touch with the underground scene and they dont have solid musical principles.


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And it also shows the lack of opinion and presence of sellout metallity. If I were to make music, I would create what I like myself, not what other people do. It's like a political party, that asks what the people want them to stand for, and throw away their own ideals just to gain more votes.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:30 pm 
I haven't really listened to this yet... I did listen to the first two songs and the first one was ok and then the second completely lost me. I'm listening to the other songs right now and what the fuck happened to Clarke Brown's voice? Maybe if he stopped nu-metal screaming and rapping... geez. I loved Plastic Planet and was my favorite CD for a long while and though my tastes of changed since that CD came out I still like it a lot. Black Science was good too, though not really Metal... Clarke sang on that too and he sounded about 100 times better than on here... so I don't think it's him, I think it's the song writing. It's a shame, it's been about 10 years since Plastic Planet and 8 since Black Sciene and this is the best Geezer Butler can come up with. Sad.


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Maybe these few lines will explain why Geezer Butler is involved in this sort of a band. Taken from the following link.

http://www.epinions.com/content_109115117188

"Geezer Butler had returned from doing side projects to Black Sabbath and he brought with him many new ideas. His vision for the band was to take stock of the modern heavy metal scene and to take it in new directions.

The idea was to take Sabbath back to the cutting edge of metal by using the modern bands as a starting point. But Butler did not want to simply copy the current bands, he wanted to build new material based on the 90’s idiom.

Specifically, new metal in the mid 90s was bottom heavy, with grinding guitar riffs that were simple but powerful, guitar solos were sparse and songs without a solo were common. Vocals were gravely shouts with words not really articulated. Lyrically nobody wanted to hear the old “dungeons and dragons” stuff nor did they want the same old bombastic party rock that the late 80’s hair bands had spewed. These ideas were to be the launching pad for new Black Sabbath material. By taking strong doses of these new ideas and mixing them with the old methods and sounds of Black Sabbath, a whole new sound was to be created which would be different from the herd.

Geezer had introduced these ideas during the making of the Dehumanizer album with Ronnie Dio. But with Dio in the band he was only able to add a dash of new ideas and to freshen the old methods. The result was still outstanding despite the limiting factors imposed by the rest of the band. With Dio gone, Butler wanted to take things further. In fact, Dehumanizer had done well because it sounded like the classic Black Sabbath that the fans had been waiting for. Without Dio or Ozzy, a new audience had to be reached because the old fans had already shown that they didn’t want Sabbath retreads.

Where Dehumanizer was an update to the old Sabbath sound, Cross Purposes was a change in direction. Instead of going on with the Dehumanizer line up which offered the chance to reconquer lost ground, the direction of Cross Purposes promised the conquest of new territory with a new sound that nobody else had tried.

To an extent Butler’s new ideas worked on this album although its clear that he did not entirely get his way.

The counter point to his new ideas came from Tony Iommi who realized that metal had changed but not all for the better. Iommi seemed convinced that Sabbath could tip their hat at the new style but follow their old formula as they had done so well on Dehumanizer. Tony seemed to think that high quality “orthodox” heavy metal would win over fans. Iommi did not want as drastic a change as Butler did and its evident on the album that there is a tug of war going on between new and old ideas.

On this album Iommis guitar riffs are mostly all low register grinders. They are short and repetitive like stuff you would expect from Rob Zombie or Helmet. They all drone and pound with heaviness. Like wise his solos are short duration and very fast. On a couple of tracks it’s obvious that a solo was added because it was obligatory to the old format. Although there are some that don’t have a solo at all.

Iommi seems to be taking Butlers advice to an extent on this album. He seems to realize that the eighties are gone and new sounds are needed. He does not wholeheartedly embrace the change but he sounds more cutting edge on this album than he did on Dehumanizer."


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Forgot to mention. Sabbath with Tony Martin ROCKS !


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:09 pm 
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Forgot to mention. Sabbath with Tony Martin ROCKS !


Yes it does, very underrated material.


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Thy Serpent wrote:
Maybe these few lines will explain why Geezer Butler is involved in this sort of a band. Taken from the following link.

http://www.epinions.com/content_109115117188

"Geezer Butler had returned from doing side projects to Black Sabbath and he brought with him many new ideas. His vision for the band was to take stock of the modern heavy metal scene and to take it in new directions.

The idea was to take Sabbath back to the cutting edge of metal by using the modern bands as a starting point. But Butler did not want to simply copy the current bands, he wanted to build new material based on the 90’s idiom.

Specifically, new metal in the mid 90s was bottom heavy, with grinding guitar riffs that were simple but powerful, guitar solos were sparse and songs without a solo were common. Vocals were gravely shouts with words not really articulated. Lyrically nobody wanted to hear the old “dungeons and dragons” stuff nor did they want the same old bombastic party rock that the late 80’s hair bands had spewed. These ideas were to be the launching pad for new Black Sabbath material. By taking strong doses of these new ideas and mixing them with the old methods and sounds of Black Sabbath, a whole new sound was to be created which would be different from the herd.

Geezer had introduced these ideas during the making of the Dehumanizer album with Ronnie Dio. But with Dio in the band he was only able to add a dash of new ideas and to freshen the old methods. The result was still outstanding despite the limiting factors imposed by the rest of the band. With Dio gone, Butler wanted to take things further. In fact, Dehumanizer had done well because it sounded like the classic Black Sabbath that the fans had been waiting for. Without Dio or Ozzy, a new audience had to be reached because the old fans had already shown that they didn’t want Sabbath retreads.

Where Dehumanizer was an update to the old Sabbath sound, Cross Purposes was a change in direction. Instead of going on with the Dehumanizer line up which offered the chance to reconquer lost ground, the direction of Cross Purposes promised the conquest of new territory with a new sound that nobody else had tried.

To an extent Butler’s new ideas worked on this album although its clear that he did not entirely get his way.

The counter point to his new ideas came from Tony Iommi who realized that metal had changed but not all for the better. Iommi seemed convinced that Sabbath could tip their hat at the new style but follow their old formula as they had done so well on Dehumanizer. Tony seemed to think that high quality “orthodox” heavy metal would win over fans. Iommi did not want as drastic a change as Butler did and its evident on the album that there is a tug of war going on between new and old ideas.

On this album Iommis guitar riffs are mostly all low register grinders. They are short and repetitive like stuff you would expect from Rob Zombie or Helmet. They all drone and pound with heaviness. Like wise his solos are short duration and very fast. On a couple of tracks it’s obvious that a solo was added because it was obligatory to the old format. Although there are some that don’t have a solo at all.

Iommi seems to be taking Butlers advice to an extent on this album. He seems to realize that the eighties are gone and new sounds are needed. He does not wholeheartedly embrace the change but he sounds more cutting edge on this album than he did on Dehumanizer."


This is all very interesting Thy Serpent. So now we know what these guys think metal is. I'm glad to see Dio was the holdback, and Iommi too, though the article is written like he may be converted after all. I'm glad I didn't eat anything this morning, after this descriptions of "new metal" and future plans I sure feel like vomiting.


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Curiousity has gotten the best of me this time around as I wonder can this REALLY be that bad? Well surprise surprise, guess what was in the new release section? Yup this cd so against my better judgement I bought it. Well I payed for my curiousity not only the 13 bucks but 40 min of wasted life. Oh how the mighty have fallen. This cd makes me feel utter pity for Geezer :cry:


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