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Just as I was wasting mine. You're so akin to commies here it's almost funny. Almost, when you consider the loonies here glorify Castro's Cuba as being a promised land.

Also, there is a difference between being critical and being scathing, and I've rarely seen you be anything but the latter with regards to your own country.
Why does the right always think that commies are everywhere? I don't know if I've ever glorified Cuba beyond some of their progressive social policies. Who are all these loonies? Chuck and I? When Chuck only writes reviews these days lol what a drama queen.

I wouldn't be scathing towards my country if people had access to healthcare, the wealthy didn't control politics, that the gap between the wealthy and the lower class was so vast, if my country wasn't making illegal what has gone on since the inception of our country and what makes our country what it is, wars being waged for no reason beyond a cash grab for colonialism and private companies isn't really my thing, if unions weren't being outlawed and if public funding wasn't being cut to necessary institutions like education and healthcare but other than that I'm really into America. I don't like the Tea Party or the religious right but I like the American people. Politically, I think stuff has gone wrong since Reagan and the values which we claim to provide for everyone is relegated to the select few. I wish America was everything the constitution and the declaration claim it or prescribe it to be.

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Speaking of Commies, I totally punched the air when I SPOILER ALERT shot Fidel Castro in slow-mo in Black Ops, and then booed as the sneaky shite revealed he keeps lookylikes in posh villas with special lady friends.

On topic, a good piece from the Economist - http://www.economist.com/blogs/democrac ... lebrations

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The revelers were not pumping themselves up for some future aggression. Sure, it was "America, fuck yeah!", but it was not "America, fuck you!" There was a satisfying sense of closure to an era of mass discomfort caused by our fears and our reaction to those fears. That this era is not actually over is perhaps a good reason to be more staid. But even if it is merely the beginning of the end, that seems like some cause for celebration.


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This is already controversial and a lot of people are being quite skeptical of the evidence thusfar. They won't be releasing any photos, they just announced, despite plastering the Hussein brothers all over the papers the next day.

People think the birthers are nuts, and rightfully so, but this time if they were caught using photoshop, it would have some credibility because the story is already questionable.

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http://www.ysearchblog.com/2011/05/02/teens-don’t-know-who-osama-bin-laden-is-according-to-yahoo-search-trends/

"Teens Don’t Know Who Osama Bin Laden Is, According to Yahoo! Search Trends"

yup.

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Azrael wrote:
http://www.ysearchblog.com/2011/05/02/teens-don’t-know-who-osama-bin-laden-is-according-to-yahoo-search-trends/

"Teens Don’t Know Who Osama Bin Laden Is, According to Yahoo! Search Trends"

yup.


9/11 was a decade ago, remember. Not really surprising.


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Yeah, my nephew (who was 5 in september 2001) barely know who the guy is, and doesn't know his face (well, didn't know).

It feels strange, yes, but it is understandable.


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despite plastering the Hussein brothers all over the papers the next day.
Which resulted in quite an uproar if you remember? They also left their bodies embalmed for six days which was another cause for unrest.

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But this time, They had such respect they got rid of the body immediately and feigned possessing photos of the body that the ass-kissing congress claims they saw. The DNA results are going to appear shoddy too with zero reason to believe that they have any evidence other than a forged report.

The US has clearly shown in the past they don't give a shit who they piss off because it a game. We kill thousands daily over there and I don't see retaliation for that. Saying photos are gonna be the final straw seems a bit fishy, doesn't it? Especially since Bin Laden was universally hated. Let's not forget the radical muslim contingent is extremely small, despite what the news would have you believe.

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Dude, the photos that were circulating came from /b/, not the government.

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Apparently the Taliban are saying OBL was dead anyway from kidney disease. :lol:


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Apparently Obozo refuses to release the photo of Bin Laden because it's too "Graphic". What a loser :lol:


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I thought it was a good call, on the contrary. We'll see the pictures in a few years, eventually. We have a war on terror to win first.


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Something isn't right about all this...


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... es-history

I'm not saying anything one way or the other, but the US gov and military has a history of lying through their teeth. A history? Hell, they do it all the time. In fact, any official declaration from the gov, I automatically assume it's at best a half truth.
If they lie about the little things (relatively speaking), why wouldn't they lie about the big things.

No body, no pics, no evidence beyond the word of the government... the timing... it's fishy is all I'm saying, and it will be interesting to see what will come out of the "hard drives" they "confiscated"... a new frontier in the ME? Stay tuned, kids.


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I honestly can't believe that they'd do something so utterly stupid. Embellishing Jessica Lynch and Tillman's stories is a whole different class to actually making up the fact that they killed OBL - if it does turn out that OBL was already dead, as is asserted by Taliban sources, then Obama is in for a torrent of shit, and I don't think he's mad enough to take that risk.

Seriously, COTB, The Guardian and other such leftist, anti-imperialist sources would dearly love egg on America's face on this one, I wouldn't hold my breath for some terrible conspiracy to be revealed. I know you think poorly of Obama, but saying the US has assassinated someone when they haven't... my mind is boggling. Makes Nixon look angelic.


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I honestly can't believe that they'd do something so utterly stupid. Embellishing Jessica Lynch and Tillman's stories is a whole different class to actually making up the fact that they killed OBL - if it does turn out that OBL was already dead, as is asserted by Taliban sources, then Obama is in for a torrent of shit, and I don't think he's mad enough to take that risk.

Seriously, COTB, The Guardian and other such leftist, anti-imperialist sources would dearly love egg on America's face on this one, I wouldn't hold my breath for some terrible conspiracy to be revealed. I know you think poorly of Obama, but saying the US has assassinated someone when they haven't... my mind is boggling. Makes Nixon look angelic.


I'm not saying anything one way or the other, because anyone outside that claims to KNOW is full of shit when it comes to government business.

It just looks a little too convenient.


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I'm not saying anything one way or the other, because anyone outside that claims to KNOW is full of shit when it comes to government business.


Can't argue with that! Ah well, truth will out in the end.


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Goat wrote:
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I'm not saying anything one way or the other, because anyone outside that claims to KNOW is full of shit when it comes to government business.


Can't argue with that! Ah well, truth will out in the end.


It won't matter, anyway... we'll still be bogged down in the ME, nothing has changed, in fact I can see a ramping up, due to "results".
AQ is still at large, after all, plotting who knows what?
Like I said, whatever info they find on the hard drives will be telling.
And also, I want to make clear that whatever reservations I have about the whole thing has nothing (well not everything, at least, I don't trust him as far as I can throw him) to do with Zero (think poorly of him... ahh, such a British way of putting it :D ), since it was an intelligence and military operation... of course 0 gave the green light, and gets to take the credit but that's mostly it, I'd imagine.


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Barack Obama to release up to 2,000 photographs of prisoner abuse
President Barack Obama is to release up to 2,000 photographs of alleged abuse at American prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan in a move which will reignite the scandal surrounding Abu Ghraib prison in 2004


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... 5dd374f4,0

So, let me see if I have this right:
releasing pics of the #1 most wanted man in the world, killed after a 10 year manhunt, and which was the given reason for two wars and billions of dollars down the tubes would inflame the muslim world, but releasing pics of Abu Ghraib torture is no problem... am I the only one that finds this logic a bit odd?


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He's probably going to release them closer to elections for an extra bump.

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