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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:08 am 
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Even the Guardian are calling them hipsters -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/ma ... ica-review


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Fucking hipster black metal is even worse than Cascadian black metal :mad:


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Meh, some cool sections here and there...... and the vocals can be quite annoying at time.


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From what I've heard of this record, I really enjoy this. Probably because I'm a hipster.

Actually, I'm no more a fan of the pretentious philosophical stuff than the rest of the guys, although it doesn't preclude me from just listening to the music, as I am inclined to think it's doing for those of you who despise it (although I will say that, for me, it's refreshing to hear a band use black metal sounds to make "empowering" rather than depressing music, as Hunter Hunt-Hendrix would put it).

Because I'd be interested to see someone actually describe why this music sucks beyond being "fucking hipster shit". You think the vocals are bad...okay? Really? I myself don't mind them at all, and they're certainly not enough to kill the album. Because in case you guys haven't noticed, the drumming on this album is fucking insane (by far the best I, personally, have ever heard on a black metal-sounding record, in terms of creativity and rhythm) and is enough to carry a few songs on this album, notably for me "High Gold". The song structures are interesting, filled with highs and lows, and starts and stops. And you can't deny that Liturgy are doing something new for extreme metal, so it's just a shame for me that (it seems) so many of you are rejecting it outright because of the admittedly pretentious bullshit HHH has going on behind the scenes. When I'm listening to the music, I'm not thinking about that (as you're probably not thinking about the philosophy when listening to NSBM or whatever), and so I can enjoy this damn good album.

EDIT: Re-reading the thread, stevelovesmoonspell did give a semi-coherent description of why he doesn't like the music. Credit where credit is due...


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Generation and Veins of God are fucking cool. Not so much their black metal stuff I've heard.


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I listened to Veins of God and it's ok. It sounds like a band I would hear at a live show when I go to little local band shows that just plays stoner/doom shit like this.

Nothing really redeeming about it though. I don't see how this is black metal at all either but maybe this is a unique track on the album.

Now I'm listening to Generations and it sounds like the same sort of thing. Not really what I'm into.

On Veins of God I was 5:00 in still thinking "when's the intro going to be over?" Then a cool part came in and I was like "Ok."

This shit's just not my style.


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Heatseeker's got a good point. I haven't really listened to much Liturgy, admittedly, but what I have heard is like a quirky take on Alcest - more interesting than Krallice, by miles, but still lacking a certain something. Listening in a post-metal mindset, I sort of enjoy, say, Returner, but it's over far too soon, and is better listened to than if you just watch that VERY ANNOYING music video. It certainly doesn't have that sit-up-in-surprise quality that I associate with the best modern black metal. And rather surprised to hear so much praise for the drumming, which certainly didn't strike me as that great compared to a band like Ruins with the lad from Psycroptic on the sticks -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_s--O7HrIg


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Favorite thing posted in the thread by far. Thanks.


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Everything about this is just plain annoying... this is a prime example of an attempt at making black metal by someone without the slightest clue on how, why and what black metal is.
It's embarassing.

I'd say it was worth a laugh, but it doesn't even deliver that.


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Favorite thing posted in the thread by far. Thanks.


Haha, damned with faint praise? :wink: They're a good band, if you're not familiar, modern stylings performing the job of the old-school in a way. Drumming, as you'll note, is excellent. COTB, be interested in your thoughts on Ruins, assuming you aren't directing those comments my way. You liked the last Satyricon, so should definitely enjoy this.


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I'd say it was worth a laugh, but it doesn't even deliver that.


You just don't get it!!!


Heatseeker already told us we dislike it for the wrong reasons: I almost feel like breaking out the "we were listening to black metal before you started riding your first bike" argument.


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Favorite thing posted in the thread by far. Thanks.


Haha, damned with faint praise? :wink: They're a good band, if you're not familiar, modern stylings performing the job of the old-school in a way. Drumming, as you'll note, is excellent. COTB, be interested in your thoughts on Ruins, assuming you aren't directing those comments my way. You liked the last Satyricon, so should definitely enjoy this.


Didn't mean to damn it. Listening to all the youtube tracks posted now. Was familiar with the drummer from Psycroptic--definitely enjoy this 'modern' version of an old school aesthetic.


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Goat wrote:
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Favorite thing posted in the thread by far. Thanks.


Haha, damned with faint praise? :wink: They're a good band, if you're not familiar, modern stylings performing the job of the old-school in a way. Drumming, as you'll note, is excellent. COTB, be interested in your thoughts on Ruins, assuming you aren't directing those comments my way. You liked the last Satyricon, so should definitely enjoy this.


I will listen and report... listening now... it's alright, not great, not horrible... the slower moments are better done than the faster ones... can see (hear) the Satyricon allusions... not too bad for modern BM. Will have to look (listen) deeper.


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Don't like how the bass kick sounds on that Ruins song at all. Liturgy's drummer grooves like a motherfucker so he's cool in my book.

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On Veins of God I was 5:00 in still thinking "when's the intro going to be over?" Then a cool part came in and I was like "Ok."


p sure the intro lasts 50ish seconds.


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emperorblackdoom wrote:
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I'd say it was worth a laugh, but it doesn't even deliver that.


You just don't get it!!!


Heatseeker already told us we dislike it for the wrong reasons: I almost feel like breaking out the "we were listening to black metal before you started riding your first bike" argument.


Well, I may be wrong, but I don't think he is too into BM, so...

It's interesting how all the non BM types are into Krallice, Liturgy, WITTR, etc.


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If you dig Deathspell Omega and want something with different vibes but similar execution this is by no means a replacement, but a nice addition.


Can't believe you put DsO and this shit in the same sentence... :mad: :omfg: :blink: :sad:


i dunno they both play wacky black metal and say things like this:

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- It took us over two years to conceive "SMRC", actually about three years if we speak about the global concept of which this album is only the first part out of three, as you say. Before writing a single note of music, a foetal structure of the lyrical aspect has to appear clearly, because the origin of our inspiration communicates - or shall I say imposes ?- through intellectual concepts first and foremost, sensorial elements are subordinated. Of course, this initial structure is bound to grow, to be mutilated or enhanced during the actual work, but this is the starting point that later on guides the creation of the musical support. At the moment of this interview, a superficial yet extremely furnished density of written word is available as the chaotic skeleton of the second part of the trilogy, and actually, some semen for the third and last part are available, too. A lot of discipline will be required to shape this material into something that will allow us to start the purely musical work, although some sketches have already been tested, some patterns of which have turned out to be satisfying, others not quite in communion with the rest, thus, discarded.

As you may imagine, we will furthermore enter the dimensions of theological uncertainty, and the resulting, ever growing ecstatic anguish may very well materialize itself in a musical form quite different again. It is way too early to predict anything though; realistically, the second part will certainly not be finalised before a couple of years. It may be accurate to underline that the music being subordinated to the global intellectual impulses, the Black Metal genre is not the only shape it may take.


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My view is that the individual is epiphenomenal, a mirage, and that attachment to individuality is a disease. Especially when I’m, say, making music, I am not an individual; I’m not responsible for what I do – I’m channeling social, cultural, technological forces which work through me in ways I don’t understand. Liturgy is more interested in subjectivity than individuality. The Subject listens to himself, to the urges he has but doesn’t understand, and he follows what’s interesting to him with courage and fidelity. That’s when new things are created. So Liturgy is an opponent of the Individual and a proponent of the Subject.


(black metal must be the only genre where looking like a normal person gets you called a hipster lo)


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Being fair, DsO are at least as up themselves as Liturgy are. That they're more acceptable is probably because they don't take pictures of themselves or come from New York...!

Might be because they make better music, though.


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That they're more acceptable is probably because they don't take pictures of themselves


I noticed that having faces to attach the words to makes them seem more ridiculous. And because he says "like" in between words like (FUCK.) "transcendental" and "ecstatic":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA_p2RLfpsk

I like what he says about romanticism and tremolo picking being like a string orchestra. At first I thought he was going to start talking about romantic literature because romantics and black metal talked a lot about how badass nature is. ALSO BECAUSE WAGNER HATED JEWS SORRY I COULDNT RESIST


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Exactly. Like, watching that video, you want to, like, pay someone to, like, beat the guy up, whilst you, like, watch. DsO don't give video interviews because they're intelligent enough to know that mystery equals better critical response. Plus, French.


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idk I find the mystery equally or more ridiculous if you give it .2 seconds of thought, which I obviously did, because I am a smart person! Part of Krallice's appeal to me was that it was the black metal band of Colin Marston and that guy who makes repetitive autistic guitar noise, and they talked about Gnosticism sometimes, but mostly they were just dudes makin' music. Corpse paint and pseudonyms and etc are incredibly lame, basically.


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