cry of the banshee wrote:
heatseeker wrote:
noodles wrote:
idk I find the mystery equally or more ridiculous if you give it .2 seconds of thought, which I obviously did, because I am a smart person! Part of Krallice's appeal to me was that it was the black metal band of Colin Marston and that guy who makes repetitive autistic guitar noise, and they talked about Gnosticism sometimes, but mostly they were just dudes makin' music. Corpse paint and pseudonyms and etc are incredibly lame, basically.
+1
emperorblackdoom wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
I'd say it was worth a laugh, but it doesn't even deliver that.
You just don't get it!!!
Heatseeker already told us we dislike it for the wrong reasons: I almost feel like breaking out the "we were listening to black metal before you started riding your first bike" argument.
I wasn't necessarily saying that, just challenging you guys to come up with some kind of plausible explanation for your dislike beyond "it's fucking hipster shit."
When all is said and done, I don't think these guys are going to appeal to the hardcore black metal crowd (which I am def not a part of, though I've had my fair share of Emperor, Darkthrone, etc.)...however illogical that seems to me, based on Liturgy's sound alone. From a different perspective, I'd have a somewhat difficult time liking a band like Mastodon if they had racist lyrics, so I guess I can kind of see disliking a band outright on the basis of their philosophy.
I still don't think the haters are giving them a fair chance, though.
I listened to them, found it to be a joke and that's that.
Annoying vox, pseudo-BM guitar work that sounds like a horrible rip-off of The Edge on a bad day, annoying, aimless drumwork, no atmosphere whatsoever... the pretentious hipster image isn't exactly helping, either.
Ok, I relistened to "Returner" and "High Gold" as well as checked out "Veins of God", "Harmonia", and "Generation" for the first time.
Generation and Veins have the advantage of being instrumentals, at least, and neither is half bad (actually I think Veins is good), the issue is that neither track is remotely close to black metal. Generation reminds me of a weird hybrid of Pelican and Meshuggah more than anything connected to black metal: I dunno, can you even draw a line from Weakling to this? The start stop riffing just doesn't resonate with black metal's guitarwork essence, which are those open minor chords and tremolo riffing (I'm not a musician--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlRh1Lzm8BE look to the medieval melody of the beginning of this famous Emperor track, and the open, hanging chords from 2:00-2:30 for contrast).
Veins sounds like Tool, which I like a lot, but where is the black metal?
The vocal tracks I have a harder time with, because the vocals are awful. But the music also tends to be more spastic, chaotic, and faster on these tracks. Isn't this more akin to noise than black metal? Furthermore, I just don't like them...music is just too jarring for me to enjoy, and the guitar styling irritates me.
Liturgy favors musicianship over atmosphere, and that is fine (the drummer is very impressive), but again goes against what I consider a central tenant of the genre.
There is no hard and fast rule for decreeing whether something is part of one genre or another, as obviously this is not a science. If I listened to the whole album, I might give it an ok score, because those two instrumentals were quite enjoyable for what they are, but in terms of classification, we're just going to have to disagree.
This makes sense. Most definitely, songs like Generation and Veins of God are not black metal at all...if anything's clear, it's that Liturgy aren't trying to be exactly like traditional BM. I actually was never trying to argue that Liturgy are strictly black metal. I was more just feeling that the BM purists were letting Liturgy's image get in the way of listening to the music, which IMO is very good and should appeal to people who like black metal--even if it's not strictly black metal.
That being said, some songs like High Gold do sound black metal to me, but I'll defer to you guys if you want to call it noise rock.
Thanks for giving em a fair listen.
