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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:16 pm 
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Being self-critical, I suppose my reluctance to cut review length is based on the fact that I don't see why writing about an album in 400 words instead of 100 is significantly worse. Just because a new breed of net users supposedly haven't the patience to read the whole thing, doesn't make it inherently useless in and of itself. People still read lengthy magazine articles and newspapers, and reading hasn't vanished as a pleasure or even a skill.


I find that unless someone knows an album really really well they won't have 400 interesting words to say about it (and in general less writing = better writing, and yeah, that the internet destroys my patience). imo anything beyond the 5-6 sentences it takes to say what an album sounds like, why you like/dislike it, and maybe what the band has done in the past should be mercilessly hacked away unless they perfectly express some of the most interesting thoughts that have ever entered your head.


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Goat wrote:
Being self-critical, I suppose my reluctance to cut review length is based on the fact that I don't see why writing about an album in 400 words instead of 100 is significantly worse. Just because a new breed of net users supposedly haven't the patience to read the whole thing, doesn't make it inherently useless in and of itself. People still read lengthy magazine articles and newspapers, and reading hasn't vanished as a pleasure or even a skill.


I find that unless someone knows an album really really well they won't have 400 interesting words to say about it (and in general less writing = better writing, and yeah, that the internet destroys my patience). imo anything beyond the 5-6 sentences it takes to say what an album sounds like, why you like/dislike it, and maybe what the band has done in the past should be mercilessly hacked away unless they perfectly express some of the most interesting thoughts that have ever entered your head.


I pretty much agree. I always had a very hard time writing reviews at RYM unless I was intimately familiar with the work. By that point the length would be way too much to handle and would ultimately be hard to imagine and too vague to do any good.

The good Doctor Abrams (of Oprah fame!) that I had in college told me one trusim when I went to get a speech idea approved. He always told me that I could not discuss sound or audio in any way without doing so through the audiotory sense. If I wanted to do a speech describing how to set up an amplifier, I best bring one in and physically do so while explaining what is going on.

If you didn't get that, audio has the least amount of adjectives to describe it despite being our most accurate and broad sense we have. It does not do well turned into descriptive non-literal words.

I like reading reviews of things I like and I like reviews that immediately tell me of things I would not like in an album.

I like reviews in general, but I think you seriously need short sound clips embedded in there so that at the very least a sense of the words can be clarified.

For example "The melodic passages that season the more obvious themes of the song really add a sense of excitement. The end of the last chorus demonstrates this perfectly with lead gutarist Olaf Thorsen's brief flirtation with improvisation hidden far in the left channel underneath an already overwhelmingly ambitious arrangment"

(then there would be a player you could click that would play the 15 seconds long chorus line and the relevant part discussed above at the end)

Somethign like that doesn't just give an opinion, it broadens every single reader's understanding of the song, or for those virtuosos out there at least gives an alternate way of thinking about it. That's what I want from a review. How it made someone feel, not how we can compare it to some hadful of reference albums it is assumed we've all heard.

I just think sometimes with reviews it's like reading "The Annotated Watchmen" without ever having read the book or having a loose idea of what the original is about. You really need to hear it and then read the words for the words to have any meaning.

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You gotta understand though that reviews on a site like this tend to start with a little introduction or background info on the band before even getting into the album itself. I'm pretty sure if you were to just take away all of that it would in fact be a "short" review.


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Adveser's idea of having short sound clips embedded is interesting, but logistically impossible. Besides, reviews aren't about telling you exactly what an album sounds like - they're telling you why you should(n't) listen to them. If you want to hear an album, listen to it, but use reviews as... reviews! I completely disagree about writing for virtuosos - I deliberately use as little technical language about musicianship as possible, because it bores me senseless and given that most people out there are not godlike musicians, it likely bores them too.

I still think a lot of what Noodles wants can be criticised easily - he himself admits that the internet's ready access to information has destroyed his patience. And if you need masses of patience to read a hundred or so extra words... not good. I'd also disagree with his less writing = better writing axiom - obviously, this doesn't mean that more writing = better writing, but there has to be a happy compromise. My usual target is for roughly 400 words, and I go over or under that naturally depending on the flow of my reviews.

Metastable's point about cutting out background info is, again, interesting, but, again, I would disagree. We don't run MR in conjunction with eg Wikipedia, so they do band background and we do what the music sounds like. Reviews here are supposed to be a contained package, and a little info about the band can be good - although I try and keep it to a minimum unless there's something interesting/entertaining in there. The recent death of a member/a former bassist was called Stefan Wanker, to use two real-life examples. Both of those are entirely relevant, and even make for a better read, I'd say.

I'm not trying to be pigheaded and to shoot everyone's arguments against me down, by the by - I am planning on making a couple of shorter reviews this weekend, to see what happens. Part of the problem is that I'm reluctant to establish writing rules on myself when a lot of my "style" revolves around letting it flow naturally. I don't set out to write long reviews, and I try not to pad out shorter reviews to get to a certain length. I'm set in my ways, I suppose, which is dangerous. Yet some part of me will always look at 100-word reviews and think that it's not enough, that the album in question deserves more - this site's early days is strewn with examples.


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Just so we're clear, I have no issues with the length of the reviews here. I was just pointing out that they may seem long because of stuff like that.


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Metastable To Chaos wrote:
Just so we're clear, I have no issues with the length of the reviews here. I was just pointing out that they may seem long because of stuff like that.


Ah, ok. Was on a roll, don't take it personally. :)


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I TAKE EVERYTHING PERSONALLY :mad:


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Goat wrote:
Metastable To Chaos wrote:
Just so we're clear, I have no issues with the length of the reviews here. I was just pointing out that they may seem long because of stuff like that.


Ah, ok. Was on a roll, don't take it personally. :)


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So, were my attempts at de-obsoletising reviews successful? Too much? Not enough? Did anyone notice the difference?


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Short or long, goofy or regular, I love your reviews, Zad. :wub:


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