Metal Reviews

Memory? Even animals have memory, Fridge. Defining humanity in so narrow terms is rather shocking, to me - we should be broadening it and recognising humanity everywhere we see it, not shutting it down and placing it on some elitist pedestal.

@Fridge : Nah, forget I said anything. Way to go, buddy.

Not the way I'm (unsuccessfully) trying to use it. I just don't see humanity that broadly.

Enlightenment ideals ftw! umm as long as he doesn't advocate widespread vanquishing of life everywhere then it wouldn't be too problematic. I don't think. Possibly devolves into eugenics, though.

Love how he comes full circle and he brings the conv back to the ladies.

Well at least you don't "advocate their extinguishing", that's something.
What about basic HUMAN rights? If they are abused, negelected or even killed, do they deserve the same justice and protection as humans?

Why? And if so, why not every other "lesser" animal?




Maybe someday, you will aspire to be something more than a life support system for your penis.
Just don't knock her up, oh wait... that's right the state will take care of it. No fuss, no muss, right?

And I find it amusing that you all are going so easy on ol' fridge here, if it were a right-leaning poster, you'd all be saying what an idiot he was...

It's not "placing it on some elitist pedestal", it's a total ignorance of the concept of species and their classification.

Being fair, it's not like this is the first time Fridge has done his Don Juan routine here, and I certainly remember plenty of people calling him an idiot at the time.

Being a douche is one thing, but claiming that people with a lower than normal capacity for "abstract reasoning" ( a vague term, at any rate) are not human is a new nadir of stupidity.

Saying something is "rather shocking" is calling someone out, to me - at least that's what I was thinking at the time. You're quite right, though, what Fridge said is unacceptable in a rational society, and we should have made more of it.

Maybe Fridge fiddles so much with abstract concepts such as integrity, respect, manners, (etc. ) to be bothered using it himself...

No, I know where you stand on these things, so it's all cool...

Yeah, that must be it... replace with alcohol and coaxing drunken bimbos into opening their legs, and you may be on to something.

We have discussed limited capacity for abstract / cognitive reasoning; what about knowing right from wrong? What about violent sociopaths (those without the component of the human psyche known as the superego / conscience) ?

Aren't all the "...paths" sick in some way?
How can a sick person be responsible for an altered perception of wrong and right?
When someone is sick, you try to cure him.

I think > 24 hours is sufficient in allowing one to catch up, so...

Cú Chulainn wrote:




which more than implies that because there is a chance that an innocent individal may get the chamber, it shouldn't be risked.

but...

I have posted evidence that there is a very strong likelihood that life is present as early as 20 - 40 days of the gestational period of a fetus, yet, abortion is just fine.
The point being, there is enough of a reasonable argument that it is very possible that is is indeed taking a life.


So explain to me why the state (where it is state subsidized) should be trusted with abortion (when the same concerns of wrongful death are as present here as in the argument you just made against state subsidized execution) but not with capital punishment? After all, there is some serious controversy surrounding just wen life begins...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death#Legal.



I refer you to this once again:


Obviously for the brain to function, it needs blood and oxygen, so the functionality of the cardio-pulmonary system is a given.

Funnily enough, a failure in seeing the irony of these two positions implies, if not a lack of, at least a rather unrefined capacity for abstract thought...

how do you go about "curing" the likes of Ted Bundy, Gacy, Dahmer, etc?
I'm genuinely curious.

I have no clue either but it's worth investigating, don't you think?

I imagine it has been investigated... how do you install a concsience? Or empathy?

Coming a bit late here but Fridge's posts I take seriously are only the ones where he talks about putting his dick in stuff. Hence the lack of reaction. I don't think it has anything to do with being a right-winger or not.



Yes, very interesting. To this day, I simply thought that "embryo = lifeless mass of cells" and "foetus = life". If there is a strong evidence showing what you suggest, then I agree that currently implemented abortion equals to murder. If not, well, it'll have to wait a little.

Interesting points, but the difference surely is that in one case we're questioning whether the person is innocent or guilty, and in the other we're questioning whether the foetus even counts as alive - everyone accepts the condemned man is 'alive' so the two don't really compare. Mentioning the capital punishment point is a very good argument that late-term abortion should be avoided at all costs, but it doesn't really apply logically to earlier cases, where nearly all are agreed there's no chance of life away from the mother. Of course, Fridge being pro-abortion even at a late stage iirc, he has a case to answer here...

Not to diminish my libertarian cred. but I don't want to see privatised abortion, since you mention state subsidies. I think abortion is not a great thing, but is better regulated rather than made illegal - like drugs and prostitution, people will do it anyway, so we should ensure that as far as possible the public's general health is not made to suffer as a result. Makes it easier to control late-term abortions, too. Different, too, is that we're not actually trusting the state with ultimately making the final decision, as we are with capital punishment, we're putting the legal framework into place to ensure the mother has the choice where safe to do so. I assume we're all ok with abortions where the foetus has a serious illness and its birth could kill the mother?

The life argument to me is dependant on whether said life can survive, viability as mentioned before. If mere cellular activity indicated life, Bruce, it would be illegal to masturbate! COTB has a good point re developing organisms, but a line must be drawn somewhere - viability outside of the body seems to be the most logical option.