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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:54 pm 
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I think that civil unions are a good compromise. I think the main benefit of that would be that homosexual couples would receive the same tax breaks that married couples would get, which is more than fair, seeing as how heterosexuals can "pay back" the government by produce more taxpayers, but homosexuals can't.


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It doesn't matter to me if they are married or not, its just not an issue I want to see thrown onto the federal level like so many other issues- that are perfectly capable of being desiderata for states are lumped onto the massive shitpile of Washington's to-do-list.


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I think that civil unions are a good compromise. I think the main benefit of that would be that homosexual couples would receive the same tax breaks that married couples would get, which is more than fair, seeing as how heterosexuals can "pay back" the government by produce more taxpayers, but homosexuals can't.


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Scratch the surface and you'll realize how deep homophobia runs in the metal community.
Your comments on gay rights are appalling.
Not all of you are raging homophobes but those of whom I speak sure know who they are.


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Scratch the surface and you'll realize how deep homophobia runs in the metal community.
Your comments on gay rights are appalling.
Not all of you are raging homophobes but those of whom I speak sure know who they are.


So homophobia is saying that there are better ways to convey ones desire for civil rights than gallivanting around in assless chaps and bodypaint?


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There is some debate on whether "marriage" is a right or not; homosexuals are allowed to have a civil union, so it's really just symbolic at this point.


It's a pretty important symbol imo. I want to get married and if I couldn't, I'd be pissed.


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The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
Scratch the surface and you'll realize how deep homophobia runs in the metal community.
Your comments on gay rights are appalling.
Not all of you are raging homophobes but those of whom I speak sure know who they are.


So homophobia is saying that there are better ways to convey ones desire for civil rights than gallivanting around in assless chaps and bodypaint?

When you put it that way obviously, no.
But it's the crap some people have insidiously spread that's sickening. At least, full frontal homophobes are proud of their (dumb) stance. Those guys are too PC (or too concerned of their forum reputation... go figure!) to clearly state the disgust gay love inspire them. They're wolves in sheep clothings...


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The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
Scratch the surface and you'll realize how deep homophobia runs in the metal community.
Your comments on gay rights are appalling.
Not all of you are raging homophobes but those of whom I speak sure know who they are.


So homophobia is saying that there are better ways to convey ones desire for civil rights than gallivanting around in assless chaps and bodypaint?

When you put it that way obviously, no.
But it's the crap some people have insidiously spread that's sickening. At least, full frontal homophobes are proud of their (dumb) stance. Those guys are too PC (or too concerned of their forum reputation... go figure!) to clearly state the disgust gay love inspire them. They're wolves in sheep clothings...


I'm not even saying their "Stance" is dumb, its just there are better ways to go about doing things.


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The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
Scratch the surface and you'll realize how deep homophobia runs in the metal community.
Your comments on gay rights are appalling.
Not all of you are raging homophobes but those of whom I speak sure know who they are.


And your anti American spew is appalling. You come out here and bitch at people for being anti gay but yet you spew your fucking anti American crap down everyone's throat so go fuck off you damn fucking hyprocrite :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


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The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
Scratch the surface and you'll realize how deep homophobia runs in the metal community.
Your comments on gay rights are appalling.
Not all of you are raging homophobes but those of whom I speak sure know who they are.


More nonsense.

Show one example, just one mind you, where anyone in this thread has stated that homosexuals don't deserve equal rights as heterosexuals.

I'll wait for it.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
Scratch the surface and you'll realize how deep homophobia runs in the metal community.
Your comments on gay rights are appalling.
Not all of you are raging homophobes but those of whom I speak sure know who they are.


More nonsense.

Show one example, just one mind you, where anyone in this thread has stated that homosexuals don't deserve equal rights as heterosexuals.

I'll wait for it.


Oh he'll probably say me just to spew more of his shit.


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MetalStorm wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
Scratch the surface and you'll realize how deep homophobia runs in the metal community.
Your comments on gay rights are appalling.
Not all of you are raging homophobes but those of whom I speak sure know who they are.


More nonsense.

Show one example, just one mind you, where anyone in this thread has stated that homosexuals don't deserve equal rights as heterosexuals.

I'll wait for it.


Oh he'll probably say me just to spew more of his shit.



He either cannot read, or is a fucking liar.

You haven't stated anything against gays in this thread, and neither has anybody else. I think nattulv used the word "faggotry" in one post, but that is hardly the same as :

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Scratch the surface and you'll realize how deep homophobia runs in the metal community.
Your comments on gay rights are appalling.
Not all of you are raging homophobes but those of whom I speak sure know who they are


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Nobody here has said that homosexuals should be denied any rights, so I don't know why this is even being posted.
That being said, who "stripped her of her rights"?
And what rights are being denied her?

And one more thing to point out the melodramatic hyperbole so often associated with militant gays: a shirt that says "legalize gay"... hmmm, as far as I know, homosexuality isn't illegal in the US.


She has a repeal Prop 8 sticker so probably has something to do with that. Wikipedia blah blah blah:

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Proposition 8 (ballot title: Eliminates Rights of Same-Sex Couples to Marry. Initiative Constitutional Amendment; called California Marriage Protection Act by proponents) was a ballot proposition and constitutional amendment passed in the November 2008 state elections.


There is some debate on whether "marriage" is a right or not; homosexuals are allowed to have a civil union, so it's really just symbolic at this point.
Marriage is a right. That's the argument that was able to give blacks the right to marry whites. The fact that the argument can't be transferred to homosexuals is the problem.

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Personally I don't see why gays would want a religious marriage within an institution that persistently demonizes them and their lifestyles. It would be like a Jew complaining that he can't get a Nazi funeral or something.

Because gays want to be able to do everything that straight people can. Marriage in most cases just doesn't work, as they have a much less monogamous lifestyle than straight people.
Proof? Maybe if you don't simply hang around gay college students then you would realize that gay people hold down long-term stable relationships. Even then I still don't buy that they are any more promiscuous than straight people who aren't exactly saints when it comes to dating simply due to their orientation.

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Marriage is a right. That's the argument that was able to give blacks the right to marry whites. The fact that the argument can't be transferred to homosexuals is the problem.

Why can't I marry my 7 year old sister then? I mean if our parents gave us permission and I wasn't going to hurt her, that would be a right too, would it not?


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metalladdd wrote:
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Marriage is a right. That's the argument that was able to give blacks the right to marry whites. The fact that the argument can't be transferred to homosexuals is the problem.

Why can't I marry my 7 year old sister then? I mean if our parents gave us permission and I wasn't going to hurt her, that would be a right too, would it not?
Age of consent laws. At seven years old you aren't an autonomous individual. Nice try, though, not really actually.

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traptunderice wrote:
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Marriage is a right. That's the argument that was able to give blacks the right to marry whites. The fact that the argument can't be transferred to homosexuals is the problem.

Why can't I marry my 7 year old sister then? I mean if our parents gave us permission and I wasn't going to hurt her, that would be a right too, would it not?
Age of consent laws. At seven years old you aren't an autonomous individual. Nice try, though, not really actually.
Well what if she was 18? Should the government keep me from marrying an adult sister (or brother for that matter)?


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Marriage is a right. That's the argument that was able to give blacks the right to marry whites. The fact that the argument can't be transferred to homosexuals is the problem.

Why can't I marry my 7 year old sister then? I mean if our parents gave us permission and I wasn't going to hurt her, that would be a right too, would it not?
Age of consent laws. At seven years old you aren't an autonomous individual. Nice try, though, not really actually.
Well what if she was 18? Should the government keep me from marrying an adult sister (or brother for that matter)?

Any chance of you two having a genetically deformed child?

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metalladdd wrote:
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Marriage is a right. That's the argument that was able to give blacks the right to marry whites. The fact that the argument can't be transferred to homosexuals is the problem.

Why can't I marry my 7 year old sister then? I mean if our parents gave us permission and I wasn't going to hurt her, that would be a right too, would it not?
Age of consent laws. At seven years old you aren't an autonomous individual. Nice try, though, not really actually.
Well what if she was 18? Should the government keep me from marrying an adult sister (or brother for that matter)?
There are laws prohibiting marriages of consanguinity but I really don't know the reasoning why. After some research, it all dates back to Biblical and Roman traditions with some hazy genetics about making babies keeping it that way. I really don't care if you want to marry your sister so have at it.

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Cú Chulainn wrote:
metalladdd wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
metalladdd wrote:
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Marriage is a right. That's the argument that was able to give blacks the right to marry whites. The fact that the argument can't be transferred to homosexuals is the problem.

Why can't I marry my 7 year old sister then? I mean if our parents gave us permission and I wasn't going to hurt her, that would be a right too, would it not?
Age of consent laws. At seven years old you aren't an autonomous individual. Nice try, though, not really actually.
Well what if she was 18? Should the government keep me from marrying an adult sister (or brother for that matter)?

Any chance of you two having a genetically deformed child?
Well I assume it would be ok if both got genetically tested for recessive traits and the probability was calculated to be that of a normal couple. Both parents would have to be carriers of a disease for the offspring to be afflicted. http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=243

Surely, after rigorous (and expensive) testing, it should be ok.

Plus if diseased offspring were the sole reason prohibiting incest, then their should be an age limit on getting pregnant as well. Once the mother hits 40, the risk increases exponentially.

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metalladdd wrote:
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metalladdd wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
metalladdd wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
Marriage is a right. That's the argument that was able to give blacks the right to marry whites. The fact that the argument can't be transferred to homosexuals is the problem.

Why can't I marry my 7 year old sister then? I mean if our parents gave us permission and I wasn't going to hurt her, that would be a right too, would it not?
Age of consent laws. At seven years old you aren't an autonomous individual. Nice try, though, not really actually.
Well what if she was 18? Should the government keep me from marrying an adult sister (or brother for that matter)?

Any chance of you two having a genetically deformed child?
Well I assume it would be ok if both got genetically tested for recessive traits and the probability was calculated to be that of a normal couple. Both parents would have to be carriers of a disease for the offspring to be afflicted. http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=243

Surely, after rigorous (and expensive) testing, it should be ok.


Then on you go! Your sister fit?

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