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But Trivium, In Flames and Protest the Hero have all changed through their careers.


For the worst.


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Pth hasn't been for the worse

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Pth hasn't been for the worse


Well I meant that mostly for In Flames.


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Of course you like shitty and formulaic musical elements, you haven't listened to any underground metal in god knows how long. For anyone else, its a generic corporate formula designed to have a hook, and sell records as opposed to being an element of good songwriting. Shitty bands like Into Eternity and Scar Symmetry are notorious for their homosexual choruses, it completely makes their safe music even weaker.


I guess it's a totally inconceivable concept that maybe these bands actually like the music they're writing, and, I dunno, maybe that's why they're writing it? If their goal was to sell records from the beginning, why aren't they doing the boy-band thing? Or making Crunkcore or something? I'm sure that would get a lot more sales than heavy guitars and death grunts.


It has nothing to do with that when it occurs for more than three albums, and becomes a staple and declining factor for many of these younger bands. The boyband thing is a misnomer as that is an entire genre bilking in and of itself, as opposed to a genre of metal, with shitty bands such as Trivium utilizing these elements to SELL records. It can be as you say for the mere "love" of making the music, but when it occurs ad nauseam without any sort of progression, exploration of other elements, than like Trivium, In flames, Protest the Hero, and all of the other shitty bands hipsters fellate over it becomes nothing but pop metal crap.


Your argument does not hold water. All of those bands have evolved to one degree or another through out their careers, especially In Flames. And so what if a band does not evolve to your liking, that does not kill their musical integrity. You spend so much time bitching about these band's and whats wrong with them that you fail to recognize that music is a purely subjective experience. I don't like half of the shit you name, especially when they feature babies being carved up with steak knives on the cover (fucking retarded), but that does not mean I think they are worthless bullshit. I respect them for being themselves and doing what they want to do. Stop wasting your life bitching about what is wrong with music and start appreciating what is right and the fact that people can enjoy their individual tastes.


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I like new In Flames, however I didn't like the latest single and haven't checked out the new album. It's good poppy metal. I like the clean vocals in it, very emotional.


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Hmmm... I believe I agree with SolarSoul25; good points.

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What's worse? This...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYKNm4qMJTc

Or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... hR3fCmzE9k

Really think Trivium are unjustly maligned. Sad thing is, they actually tried to make a "metuhl" album on The Crusade (and did a pretty good job of it) and they still get shat all over.

Yeah, I know we've had this discussion a million times already...


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SolarSoul25 wrote:
stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
Legacy Of The Night wrote:
stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
Of course you like shitty and formulaic musical elements, you haven't listened to any underground metal in god knows how long. For anyone else, its a generic corporate formula designed to have a hook, and sell records as opposed to being an element of good songwriting. Shitty bands like Into Eternity and Scar Symmetry are notorious for their homosexual choruses, it completely makes their safe music even weaker.


I guess it's a totally inconceivable concept that maybe these bands actually like the music they're writing, and, I dunno, maybe that's why they're writing it? If their goal was to sell records from the beginning, why aren't they doing the boy-band thing? Or making Crunkcore or something? I'm sure that would get a lot more sales than heavy guitars and death grunts.


It has nothing to do with that when it occurs for more than three albums, and becomes a staple and declining factor for many of these younger bands. The boyband thing is a misnomer as that is an entire genre bilking in and of itself, as opposed to a genre of metal, with shitty bands such as Trivium utilizing these elements to SELL records. It can be as you say for the mere "love" of making the music, but when it occurs ad nauseam without any sort of progression, exploration of other elements, than like Trivium, In flames, Protest the Hero, and all of the other shitty bands hipsters fellate over it becomes nothing but pop metal crap.


Your argument does not hold water. All of those bands have evolved to one degree or another through out their careers, especially In Flames. And so what if a band does not evolve to your liking, that does not kill their musical integrity. You spend so much time bitching about these band's and whats wrong with them that you fail to recognize that music is a purely subjective experience. I don't like half of the shit you name, especially when they feature babies being carved up with steak knives on the cover (fucking retarded), but that does not mean I think they are worthless bullshit. I respect them for being themselves and doing what they want to do. Stop wasting your life bitching about what is wrong with music and start appreciating what is right and the fact that people can enjoy their individual tastes.


Only a minute portion of your post is true as in the case of In flames their technical ability stretched for a few albums, before ultimately subjecting themselves to poppy elements. Yes it does kill their musical integrity, for one they were once an actual metalband, that sold out using formulaic elements more common in pop music. If altering your musical formula to sell records, appeal to a dumber demographic, not playing your past songs, and admitting you changed to suit a trend, as In flames has done then thats selling out and not your cute little assessment of artistic transformation.

Personally, you can dislike my avatar all you want, at least Belphegor never pussied out to sell records to 16 year old emo queers. They've been around just as long as In flames, and still manage to write a decent record unlike those losers. :lol:


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heatseeker wrote:
What's worse? This...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYKNm4qMJTc

Or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... hR3fCmzE9k

Really think Trivium are unjustly maligned. Sad thing is, they actually tried to make a "metuhl" album on The Crusade (and did a pretty good job of it) and they still get shat all over.

Yeah, I know we've had this discussion a million times already...


Agreed. Trivium has their moments, especially on Shogun and the Ascendancy. Wouldnt mind catching them in concert some time. Definitely not deserving of the hate they get.


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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
appeal to a dumber demographic,


Indeed, In Flames' current audience is not intelligent enough to appreciate the subtle complexities of a steak-knived baby.

Anyways what you're saying is premised on us being able to know what an artist's intentions were, which I don't think we can. Even if they say something about it, they might be lying. I assume all bands are making the music they make because it's the music they want to make, because that seems more likely to me than a band making music to get rich via being big fish in the little pond that is the underground metal scene.


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noodles wrote:
stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
appeal to a dumber demographic,


Indeed, In Flames' current audience is not intelligent enough to appreciate the subtle complexities of a steak-knived baby.
lol.

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noodles wrote:
stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
appeal to a dumber demographic,


Indeed, In Flames' current audience is not intelligent enough to appreciate the subtle complexities of a steak-knived baby.

Anyways what you're saying is premised on us being able to know what an artist's intentions were, which I don't think we can. Even if they say something about it, they might be lying. I assume all bands are making the music they make because it's the music they want to make, because that seems more likely to me than a band making music to get rich via being big fish in the little pond that is the underground metal scene.


Indeed. I need to take some time to research average income for bands like In Flames and etc..., might be interesting to actually shed some light on that instead of assuming what they make. I can tell you for sure it pales in comparison to the pop/hip hop seen. The only metal band that I can think of that might draw comparable numbers in the states is Metallica, and Iron Maiden abroad.

As far as understanding an artist's intentions, Im guilty of not trying to fully understand what I am listening to all the time. So much music comes and goes through my ears, plus listening to all of my older stuff, that I often dont commit the time to really delve into a new album, instead giving it a glance and seeing what catches my attention, then moving on. This is especially true when I go CD shopping, cause I tend to find a good store and buy anywhere around 10 albums at a time. Its not until some time later that I actually sit down and really look into what makes the album tick.


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No mention of Vortex, or whatever the hell he is calling himself?
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Woah woah woah, what's wrong with Vortex? Dude's got one of my favorite singing voices.


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Woah woah woah, what's wrong with Vortex? Dude's got one of my favorite singing voices.


It always struck me as an overdone gimmick.


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Overdone gimmick? That's his voice man, it's unique.


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Ah, I love Vortex voice.

Abrahadabra had some great clean vocals from Garm to....


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I think the fellow has a decent voice, but no one ever takes the time to appreciate other black metal voices who can hold a clean note as well from the older bands.


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