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Are they burning down their own neighborhoods?
If so, let them live in the aftermath. That includes businesses leaving for greener pastures.
And if they want it rebuilt, they should be made to do so themselves.



I guess that would be the perfect punishment. Call me primitive, cold hearted or just plain stupid, but at times, I too feel like dead1 does. I think the main point is, punish the people in such a way that they don't indulge in such crimes fearing the consequences. Maybe shooting/killing them isn't the answer, but then how can things like these be prevented or at least minimized ? Many or maybe most Gulf countries don't see such riots. At least not to the extent that it happens elsewhere. Why? People are scared of the nature of punishment. Whether it is being whipped in public, hanged, shot or having limbs chopped off, it definitely seems a more effective way in curbing crimes.


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Thy Serpent wrote:
Many or maybe most Gulf countries don't see such riots.


Err this was kind of a big thing just a couple months ago.

http://www.ecuadortimes.net/2011/02/17/ ... ddle-east/ etc

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although I believe extracting monetary compensation from the perpetrators would be more fitting and productive.

Indeed. They should work for the same amount than the things they have broken. It's only fair and more productive than prison.


I like this idea although I feel like there's probably a reason labour camp-type deals aren't too popular anymore.


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Heheh, multiculturalism. Fail.


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The modern Western legal system is a joke. It's designed to keep offenders out of prison without rehabilitation, punishment or any other concept applied to it.

Having witnessed how it works in Australia, the purpose of the criminal legal system seems purely to go through a process, just like any other bureaucracy.

And it's too infested with bleeding heart types who believe all people are good and those who commit crimes are merely misunderstood.

Oh and you put in the WWII reference.


You still have not managed to bridge the disconnect, between your false logic regarding the overuse of state power with capital punishment regarding rioting and theft. I agree for the most part about the weakness of our justice system, as it produces no genuine change in the majority of inmates- but speaking from the broader context of overreaching state powers we don't execute our criminals merely for theater like Old France. There is no proof overall that the death penalty is a significant deterrent for violent crime to begin with, whether or not its justly applied for acts such as murder, rape, and child molestation is something I'm sure we can all agree on.

But to say big government should execute a couple of hoodlums for destroying a communities property, when a more pragmatic approach as COTB said would be to make the perpetrators pay, live, and or serve lengthy prison sentences with no contact with people for replaceable damage is still not a tenable position.


Dunno if you've been watching the news but there's footage of people jumping out of burning buildings and families trapped in burning houses. There's also been bashings and muggings.

And some poor sod was shit in the head while in his car.

These hoodlums aren't just destroying property, they're threatening people's lives and it at least one case killed a person.


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I don't adhere to the concept of human rights for all. I believe people can lose their human rights by committing acts of violence against one another or against their community.

In that case it's fine for the government to get in, break heads and get rid of trouble makers.


We Croats are a lot less squeamish about breaking a few heads to get a result. It's why we won our last war.


lack of humanity must stop somewhere. if people act like animals, it still doesn't, and shouldn't ever, give anyone (not even the state) the power to act inhumanely.


"Inhumanity" is a failed western concept. When all the rabble know is violence, you have to stop them with even more violence.


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Heheh, multiculturalism. Fail.


As a migrant, I agree with this.

However TV footage shows a lot of whites involved as well.


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It seems that the police are not shutting down rioters as quickly as they could because of the "sensitivity of the target group" (i.e. some of them are black).

http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/

Western humanity fails again.


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dead1 wrote:
It seems that the police are not shutting down rioters as quickly as they could because of the "sensitivity of the target group" (i.e. some of them are black).

http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/

Western humanity fails again.


Anybody know the racial breakdown of the rioters?
I read somewhere 90% black.
Is this true?


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Even more epic Western humanist failure:



Theresa May (British Home Secretary):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... shops.html

"The way we police in Britain is not through use of water cannon," she said. "The way we police in Britain is through consent of communities."

This what all these liberal ideas have led to. They allow thugs to run rampant while liberals take the high horse and pretend to be more "civilised."

In the mean time, the innocent get hurt.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
dead1 wrote:
It seems that the police are not shutting down rioters as quickly as they could because of the "sensitivity of the target group" (i.e. some of them are black).

http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/

Western humanity fails again.


Anybody know the racial breakdown of the rioters?
I read somewhere 90% black.
Is this true?


If you look at the link I posted, you'll find most of the rioters are black. But that could be just that particular suburb.


Apparently they attacked a bus full of commuters.

I'd have them shot regardless of colour.


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I'm not opposd to a bit of this:

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in this case.
I mean, at some point enough is fucking enough.

But, at what point does it become enough out of hand that bullets are needed and justified?


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Thy Serpent wrote:
Many or maybe most Gulf countries don't see such riots.


Err this was kind of a big thing just a couple months ago.

http://www.ecuadortimes.net/2011/02/17/ ... ddle-east/ etc



I should've mentioned until recently. :P


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This guy hits the nail on the head:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... l?ITO=1490


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Actually that article seems like typical statist bullshit.

"Nobody has ever dared suggest to them that they need feel any allegiance to anything, least of all Britain or their community. They do not watch royal weddings or notice Test matches or take pride in being Londoners or Scousers or Brummies."

"The notions of doing a nine-to-five job, marrying and sticking with a wife and kids, taking up DIY or learning to read properly, are beyond their imaginations."

He rants endlessly about the past and doesn't propose many solutions other than bemoaning blah, blah, blah. Why did you post such nonsense?

"If a child lacks sufficient respect to address authority figures politely, and faces no penalty for failing to do so, then other forms of abuse — of property and person — come naturally.

So there we have it: a large, amoral, brutalised sub-culture of young British people who lack education because they have no will to learn, and skills which might make them employable. They are too idle to accept work waitressing or doing domestic labour, which is why almost all such jobs are filled by immigrants.

They have no code of values to dissuade them from behaving anti-socially or, indeed, criminally, and small chance of being punished if they do so.

They have no sense of responsibility for themselves, far less towards others, and look to no future beyond the next meal, sexual encounter or TV football game."

No will to learn what to accept to remain quiet, be passive aggressive, learn "Traditional values", and gut their own individuality and conform? This is not the same as essential concepts of liberty such as property, the right to life, and working one self through life, this guy is a retarded social conservative who values ORDER over individuality and liberty and this article is a piece of shit.


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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
This is not the same as essential concepts of liberty such as property, the right to life, and working one self through life, this guy is a retarded social conservative who values ORDER over individuality and liberty and this article is a piece of shit.

Sure, but when a person's property, right to life, and working oneself through it are endangered by another person, that is when the state/order needs to intervene.


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There are a lot of chavs among them.


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The Daily Mail is full of shit.

http://maptube.org/map.aspx?m=ol&s=bBHF ... 9_1514.kml

The poorer areas have the worst rioting. I realise that a lot of these people out there are scum and just out for the looting, but there's a reason and a context as to why they're rioting, and it's not "liberal faggotry" or anything like that. It's what the English do, 30 years of inequality, of hanging on in quiet desperation, and then boom, it boils over. Cameron's taken away these people's hopes, their benefits, their job opportunities, their healthcare and their academic chances. A general feeling of resentment is understandable, even if most of the rioters have no fucking clue about politics and are going about this "protesting" business entirely the wrong way.

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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
No will to learn what to accept to remain quiet, be passive aggressive, learn "Traditional values", and gut their own individuality and conform? This is not the same as essential concepts of liberty such as property, the right to life, and working one self through life, this guy is a retarded social conservative who values ORDER over individuality and liberty and this article is a piece of shit.

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The poorer areas have the worst rioting. I realise that a lot of these people out there are scum and just out for the looting, but there's a reason and a context as to why they're rioting, and it's not "liberal faggotry" or anything like that. It's what the English do, 30 years of inequality, of hanging on in quiet desperation, and then boom, it boils over. Cameron's taken away these people's hopes, their benefits, their job opportunities, their healthcare and their academic chances. A general feeling of resentment is understandable, even if most of the rioters have no fucking clue about politics and are going about this "protesting" business entirely the wrong way.
Agreed with the aforementioned.

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I believe every one is entitled to be treated fairly and respectfully and to have the same opportunities in life (e.g. education, no job discrimination based on sex, race, religion, appearance, sexuality etc).
Quit drinking trapt's,stefan's and frigid's koolaid you might drown.
Sounds like quality kool-aid. It's one of the few logical things dead1 has ever said.

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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
This is not the same as essential concepts of liberty such as property, the right to life, and working one self through life, this guy is a retarded social conservative who values ORDER over individuality and liberty and this article is a piece of shit.

Sure, but when a person's property, right to life, and working oneself through it are endangered by another person, that is when the state/order needs to intervene.



Very true, and I point I failed to consider.


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oh no they don't watch royal weddings D:


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