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I don't see how quality riffs and the symphony are mutually exclusive.

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Oh, but they often are mutually exclusive. I can't count the black metal bands I've heard who have a very mediocre keyboardist noodling away while an even less gifted guitarist chugs the same two chords just for some background grimness.


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Oh, but they often are mutually exclusive. I can't count the black metal bands I've heard who have a very mediocre keyboardist noodling away while an even less gifted guitarist chugs the same two chords just for some background grimness.
In practice, totally! But why does that have to be the case as DI put it:

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You have to realize that creating atmosphere with orchestration is the main aim of this music. It's not to compose complex riffing but merely to somewhat accompany with the massive orchestration as a means of a heavy and a hammering sound. I'm sure he is more than capable of making riff after riff being it technical or not. That was not the aim of the music itself, however.
Why can't they have both goals in mind?

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Obviously because there are very few bands in existence with the talent and musical education of Septic Flesh. Very hard to overestimate these guys.


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Obviously because there are very few bands in existence with the talent and musical education of Septic Flesh. Very hard to overestimate these guys.
Two words: Metallica S&M. But on a serious note, I feel like Communion brings the riffs while bringing the orchestral elements to a degree in the presence of the synthesizers.

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I bought Communion after getting into this album.. Everyone says how much better it is... Why? I don't hear it.. In fact I have tried numerous times to get into it and failed... I don't even revisit it anymore.. What am I missing?


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I bought Communion after getting into this album.. Everyone says how much better it is... Why? I don't hear it.. In fact I have tried numerous times to get into it and failed... I don't even revisit it anymore.. What am I missing?
Lovecraft's Death, Anubis, Communion, Sunlight/Moonlight are all solid tracks. The riffs are stronger, the vocal melodies have more hook. So the synths are more simplistic, but they create an atmosphere as comparable as possible to what operates in The Great Mass. The album closes with that riff from Sangreal which is easily better than anything from The Great Mass.

The band doesn't have the huge orchestra to rely on in order to create the atmosphere and hence the drumming and riffs come off with more oomph as in the end to Anubis or at the beginning of Communion.

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Mitch W wrote:
I bought Communion after getting into this album.. Everyone says how much better it is... Why? I don't hear it.. In fact I have tried numerous times to get into it and failed... I don't even revisit it anymore.. What am I missing?
Lovecraft's Death, Anubis, Communion, Sunlight/Moonlight are all solid tracks. The riffs are stronger, the vocal melodies have more hook. So the synths are more simplistic, but they create an atmosphere as comparable as possible to what operates in The Great Mass. The album closes with that riff from Sangreal which is easily better than anything from The Great Mass.

The band doesn't have the huge orchestra to rely on in order to create the atmosphere and hence the drumming and riffs come off with more oomph as in the end to Anubis or at the beginning of Communion.


Lovecraft's Death is the only track I enjoy unfortunately... O well


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I dunno Mitch, you probably fell for the "Great Mass" sound, whereas I was most fond of the "Sumerian Daemons" sound.

Like Trapt, I am way more likely to listen to Communion than this album though, for the reasons he listed.


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I dunno Mitch, you probably fell for the "Great Mass" sound, whereas I was most fond of the "Sumerian Daemons" sound.

Like Trapt, I am way more likely to listen to Communion than this album though, for the reasons he listed.


Haha I think we talked about that before... It must be the case...


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Karmakosmonaut wrote:
Obviously because there are very few bands in existence with the talent and musical education of Septic Flesh. Very hard to overestimate these guys.


What exactly are you insinuating? That Septic Flesh are talentless and I am overestimating them? Or am I reading you wrong?

Are you being facetious?

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I said it's very hard to overestimate these guys, meaning you can heap tons of praise on them and they would still deserve it.


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I said it's very hard to overestimate these guys, meaning you can heap tons of praise on them and they would still deserve it.


Yeah. Because you usually have a dry sense of humor so I thought this was the case here, too :lol:.

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Mitch W wrote:
I bought Communion after getting into this album.. Everyone says how much better it is... Why? I don't hear it.. In fact I have tried numerous times to get into it and failed... I don't even revisit it anymore.. What am I missing?


I had exactly the same feeling (as I discovered Septicflesh only after The Great Mass).
My advice - give yourself a rest of Septicflesh for a couple of weeks\months and then listen to Communion.
I still think it's not as good, but close...


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Mitch W wrote:
I bought Communion after getting into this album.. Everyone says how much better it is... Why? I don't hear it.. In fact I have tried numerous times to get into it and failed... I don't even revisit it anymore.. What am I missing?


I had exactly the same feeling (as I discovered Septicflesh only after The Great Mass).
My advice - give yourself a rest of Septicflesh for a couple of weeks\months and then listen to Communion.
I still think it's not as good, but close...


Well dude, I did exactly this last night.. I still don't enjoy it nearly as much.. I can honestly say I don't give a fuck if a "fell" for the great mass sound.. To me , it sounds way better than their previous two albums...but in all reality , everyone will like what they like.. So it really doesn't matter....


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