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What you guys said.

And just so you know Zad, the political parties that support this point of view here in France are half the Socialist Party (the other half is reluctant but can be convinced), and >90% of the ecologists. The MoDem could be convinced too I guess. The right parties are completely hostile. Funny to think the 'socialists' are the ones pro individual responsibility on this matter

This.

Like I said before, people who use hard/party drugs recreationally are just looking for a good time. (me)

People who ruin their lives on drugs have got underying issues, and the drug use is symptomatic of that, not the cause of it.

Yes, our political systems suck when it comes to classifying issues like drug legalisation. No parties are consistent in the belief in individual responsibility across the board...

One of my best friends is a police officer of the narcotics cell of the Belgian federal police. He says they don't intrude in smalltime users' habits, but only go after you once they can reasonably assume you're carrying about 10.000 euro street value worth of drugs. Of course, whatever you have on you when they apprehend you is confiscated, but you're turned loose instantly if it's a small dose and you're not visibly fucked over by it. Pretty much how it should be - dealers get top priority and are severely cracked down upon (pun unintended) and recreational users get off lightly.

As was pointed out, these people make it themselves from off the shelf ingredients. No blame can be attributed to drug dealers in this case.

In an immoral world such as ours (watching the news merely speaks volumes of it) drug dealers are there strictly as businessmen, so called professionals. PEOPLE have the freedom of CHOICE. They are not forced. Individuals that use drugs as a recreational activity see drug dealers as merely a vessel for their good time. Serious addicts that are struggling with drugs all their lives will more than likely have serious underlying issues and terrible human actions such as abuse and other god-aweful things I won't name. First and lastly as mentioned before, humans (not philosophically speaking) but in a practical sense have freedom of choice and it is simply up to them to call the dealer or hang up the phone and delete their numbers off their phones. It's thing I did. It's 4 years now. And I have never felt better in my life. I was never an addict, I smoked Winston red cigarettes for four years and put them away at will and never smoked again. I loved drugs and got high for recreational purposes and enjoyed it 95% of it and do not regret doing it, either. But those days are behind me. I have been determined for a long time that there are more important things for me in life to pursue and achieve. As for understanding music... I really don't need to get high anymore to understand a piece of psychedelic music. I already can feel colours out of melody and see fractal geometries when sober while listening to music. It already takes me to an unearthly realm without getting high off my ass. So all is good for me without the looking-glass of drugs. What Necrodude is describing is just an individual case and cannot be the whole of truth as in the obvious case of many people that have spoken the opposite of Necro.

Necrodude and I might be colored by personal experience to have a more negative opinion of drug dealers than the rest of you.

I'm not comfortable with the idea that addicts have underlying issues that categorize them as "fuckups". Alcoholism, after all, is a clinical, chemical, disease, not the lifestyle choice of a 'fuckup'. Chemically, the brain alters in addictive personalities, whether it be, alcohol, drugs, or even gambling. These sorts of people can be extremely difficult on the lives of their loved ones, but they are not incurable, at least in the sense of being in permanent recovery.

That some drug-dealers profit from progressive chemical dependency of the brain bothers me, and more than a little.

Perhaps this whole conversation is about distinguishing shroom dealers from, say, heroin dealers?

Point well taken. Yeah, maybe. There would rather be a large gap between an obviously dependent addict like a heroin addict and the recreational user, the user of shrooms.

Fair enough. I'm sure there are exceptions in every case, but my opinions are coloured by personal experience too. Aside from own recreational drug use, I went to school with a guy who started taking drugs around the same time as me and other friends. Only he ended up in rehab because his relationship with his immediate family broke down to the point where he needed help.

What he learned in rehab, after various highly intense and confrontational therapy sessions, was that he had some serious underlying issues about his father (not a nice guy) which he never realised were issues that actually weighed on his mind.

He went through another year of counselling for these father related issues, and has not touched drugs in three years and has no desire to.

So the experience of knowing him, plus my own experiences have formed my opinion. I suppose not everyone is the same though.



Well, I don't use smack, but I know some guys who sell meth who are ok guys. They mostly sell just to cover the cost of their own recreational use. I don't exactly live in a ghetto, it's true, so my experiences are more, shall we say "middle class" but I can only speak from my own experience.

Thrash, can you explain to me what MDMA is? And how/where/what would I do to go about acquiring some?

[quote="emperorblackdoom"]I'm not comfortable with the idea that addicts have underlying issues that categorize them as "fuckups". Alcoholism, after all, is a clinical, chemical, disease, not the lifestyle choice of a 'fuckup'. Chemically, the brain alters in addictive personalities, whether it be, alcohol, drugs, or even gambling. These sorts of people can be extremely difficult on the lives of their loved ones, but they are not incurable, at least in the sense of being in permanent recovery.

That some drug-dealers profit from progressive chemical dependency of the brain bothers me, and more than a little.quote

this. even beyond the chemical level, the social level, not having a proper support structure of family and friends in this day and age where things are rather meaningless, puts some people in the situation of finding nothing better than to abuse substances. I see a lot of that working at the bar. people who are socially functional, even successful, who just have nothing to live for and find no value in what they have. substance abuse becomes the better alternative to just offing it. the problem with dealers for me is how they predate and exploit those who are already down, often for reasons they had no control over. and fuck free will. yes, you choose to shoot up, but what has happened to you that would make that appear a legitimate option? I'm done with my hippie liberal schpiel now.

isn't that the drug in ecstasy?

It is I think, but it's different from taking ecstasy. It's suppose to unleash some all natural chemicals in your brain and be like 10x stronger than high grade mushrooms. Joe Rogan talks about it all the time on his podcast. Sounds intense. And safe apparently.