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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:10 pm 
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exactly, all these cores sound soo, uhm, childish. that doesn't mean they are bad, but the sounds like a few kids making music, in stead of experienced headbangers. I don't care if they are, just that they sound like it...


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exactly, all these cores sound soo, uhm, childish. that doesn't mean they are bad, but the sounds like a few kids making music, in stead of experienced headbangers. I don't care if they are, just that they sound like it...


I do really enjoy this album though i think the ep they did with Mike Patton was better... but sorry, I don't see what is childish in DEP music...


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:27 pm 
I forgot this album on my top 10 of 2004. It would be somewhere around the middle.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:56 am 
I haven't listened to a whole lot of this, but I liked what I heard.


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I've heard this band's name mentioned a few times by friends and stuff, but never really bothered to check em out as my friends have always steered me into the direction of shitty music and claim Nightwish have absolutely no talent. But after reading the review, I downloaded about half the album and gave it a try. And just as I expected, I didn't like it one bit. I instantly deleted each song afterwards. I've seen local bands sound better than this.. But thats just my two cents, so meh..


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I've heard this band's name mentioned a few times by friends and stuff, but never really bothered to check em out as my friends have always steered me into the direction of shitty music and claim Nightwish have absolutely no talent.


Well, from your sig, DEP isn't really up your alley. It's like recommending Nightwish to somebody who only listens to Deathgrind. Maybe they'll like it, but the odds are it's not to their tastes.

Me on the other hand, I love this kind of stuff (see Coalesce, Botch, et al.), but I don't find DEP at all inspiring. They are kinda like the Dokken of the noisecore scene to me. They know how to play their instruments well, but their songs have no heart or emotion.


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Well, from your sig, DEP isn't really up your alley. It's like recommending Nightwish to somebody who only listens to Deathgrind. Maybe they'll like it, but the odds are it's not to their tastes.


The bands in my sig are my favorite bands, not the only ones I like. I enjoy some songs from Dark Tranquility and alot of Norther and other kinds of harsh vocaled things with fast technical music. I just didn't enjoy this particular band all that much. Granted, I do listen to power metal the most, but if there was something truely special about DEP, I would definately like it.


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milkbaby wrote:
Well, from your sig, DEP isn't really up your alley. It's like recommending Nightwish to somebody who only listens to Deathgrind. Maybe they'll like it, but the odds are it's not to their tastes.


The bands in my sig are my favorite bands, not the only ones I like. I enjoy some songs from Dark Tranquility and alot of Norther and other kinds of harsh vocaled things with fast technical music. I just didn't enjoy this particular band all that much. Granted, I do listen to power metal the most, but if there was something truely special about DEP, I would definately like it.


so, those who fancy it are idiots ? it's a bit arrogant of you... instead, you should have said it was not for your tastes, don't you think ?


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so, those who fancy it are idiots ? it's a bit arrogant of you... instead, you should have said it was not for your tastes, don't you think ?


Did I say anything even remotely like that? I made no comment on how anyone is an idiot, I just made my dislike for the band itself clear, not the style, and basically said if there was anything really special, that'd I'd like it.. I stick by that, I dont think there is anything special about this band, but if someone else out there thinks there is then whatever, why the hell should I care? No one who likes anything is an idiot, not even people who like rap. I said I didn't like the particular band, in other words, not for me or my "tastes" I guess.


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I really, really, really hate the vocals... Plus i don't like them overall
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Since my mind got really fucked up through months i like this album now. It even sounds like An Albatross at parts..


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personally, i think this album kicks ass, as does the band. the Mike Patton stuff rules too. kick ass!

i understand why many don't call them metal.. i don't and i don't think the band does either. but to me it's definately great music.

hell, i don't play any instrument and i still think they kick ass.

i remember the first time i heard them, "when good dogs do bad things", with mike patton. i fucking hated it. after a while though, it just "clicked" and everything fit into place. it was awesome!

unfortunately, their increasing popularity (nothing wrong with that - good for them!) inspired many bands to take up shitty names with like 5 words, or are 5 words all together (i.e. TheCookieCutterMathBand), or whole goddamn sentences, and play exactly this kind of music. suck ass!

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personally, i think this album kicks ass, as does the band. the Mike Patton stuff rules too. kick ass!

i understand why many don't call them metal.. i don't and i don't think the band does either. but to me it's definately great music.

hell, i don't play any instrument and i still think they kick ass.

i remember the first time i heard them, "when good dogs do bad things", with mike patton. i fucking hated it. after a while though, it just "clicked" and everything fit into place. it was awesome!

unfortunately, their increasing popularity (nothing wrong with that - good for them!) inspired many bands to take up shitty names with like 5 words, or are 5 words all together (i.e. TheCookieCutterMathBand), or whole goddamn sentences, and play exactly this kind of music. suck ass!

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Why do they have to shit live on stage? :? A bit off-putting, no?


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im gonna go see them live, i picked up the cd, bought it, put it in the computer, and tried to like it....it didnt work out, but with pure determination i made myself like it. i currently like this cd alot, i give it like an 85/100, i know music sounds better when your high, but this in particular, is just amazing, please for the sake of music, go get stoned, put the cd in and listen to it till you have the munchies


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Why do they have to shit live on stage? :? A bit off-putting, no?


Because it's not healthy to hold it.


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I'm surprised at the number of people here who argue that DEP are "just noise". What is the difference between sound and music? At what point does noise become melody? :? There are no answers to these questions. You do indeed sound a bit like somebody's grandmother, who would probably say that about Black Sabbath.

Technically the DEP do blow pretty much everyone around out of the water in terms of ensemble musicianship... especially watchtower, who suck. Their music embraces chaos, which means most people will hate them, but a certain few will find this inspiring.

Having said this, I don't necessarily think they are a great band. Botch, Sikth, Meshuggah and Coalesce all seem to have a bit more "warmth" to thir music, while being almost as musically radical. Once it loses its impact of the first few listens, TDEP can sound a bit "machine like" at times- ironic considering their album title. I saw them live in Leeds, and their music didn't really have enough variation to sustain interest for an hour plus long set. This is a band to be experienced in short doses.


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I'm surprised at the number of people here who argue that DEP are "just noise". What is the difference between sound and music? At what point does noise become melody? :? There are no answers to these questions.

http://www.musictheory.net

Seriously though, I understand what you are getting at. But there is a point where music does become useless noise. That line is just different for everyone. Music vs. Noise is subjective. For some people it starts at heavy metal, some at thrash, some death or black metal, others into tech and so on. I don't think a lot of people here would argue that a recording of me running around a music store and bashing intruments would be much in the way of good listening, but for some that might as well be me playing the new DEP.

I agree with milk and Gast in that DEP sounds sterile and that the large percentage of the new wave of "techcore" or whatever you want to call it is childish in it's execution, respectively. I can take spiraling chaotic dissonance, but only if it is pulled off by someone with a little more taste or sense of craft. Of course, it only takes a run through the album to see what kind of minds this is coming from. Setting Fire to Sleeping Giants is fucking screamo, replete with every awful element of the psuedo-genre. At least one test of a Metal band's mettle is the slow song, the clean song(in some cases, section), the ballad, whatever it turns out to be. Bands like Green Carnation, Opeth, Emperor, are/were able to blend that into their music, DEP shows exactly what kind of skill they posess when it comes to writing outside of their established genre by writing an awful song that could easily pass for any number of screamo bands that pop up constantly.

DEP and their ilk simply fail to impress me outside of their instrumental prowess, which can't make up for the lack of substance in the music. Remove that technicality and all you have are a bunch of hardcore and emo kids, who also don't offer up anything I can enjoy.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:25 am 
I don't care if they're hardcore kids, emo kids, or metal kids. I like their music.


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Jaden wrote:
I don't care if they're hardcore kids, emo kids, or metal kids. I like their music.


I still can't get over their shitting onstage. Why would anyone want to watch that, when you can probably find the same thing on the net? :?


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