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 Post subject: Mayhem - Deathcrush (#2867)
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:53 am 
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Mayhem - Deathcrush
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:55 pm 
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Am I the only one who thinks that early Mayhem is grossly overrated? I 'll never understand why De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas is considered a classic - frankly, there's a reason why they're better known for thier nutty antics as opposed to thier music. I personally prefer thier later days (Grand Declaration and beyond) when they actually started getting creative and realizing thier songwriting potential.


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Crispy wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that early Mayhem is grossly overrated? I 'll never understand why De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas is considered a classic - frankly, there's a reason why they're better known for thier nutty antics as opposed to thier music. I personally prefer thier later days (Grand Declaration and beyond) when they actually started getting creative and realizing thier songwriting potential.

I completely agree on a musical basis, but much of Mayhem's importance came from the fact that they were doing what they were when other people weren't. Just like Sabbath to a lot of modern Metalheads, Mayhem might be overrated or even boring, but their importance is lost on most black metal fans who likely are more accustomed to the far improved playing and songwriting of later contributors like Emperor. That said, I do really enjoy Deathcrush, probably more than De Mysteriis. Just something about the raw energy of the band, and taking into mind the time period it just puts a smile on my face. I do agree that they got much better, more interesting, and far improved their songwriting after Hellhammer brought the old line-up back minus Euronymous (Necrobutcher started the band with Euronymous and Maniac was of course the vocalist on Deathcrush, despite how many people will cry that Hellhammer is the "only original member" left, they were there before he was).

And as far as the first wave as mentioned in the review, I consider Bathory to really be the first. Venom, Hellhammer, and CF contributed but Bathory were the first that can actually be considered Black Metal. I think it overstates those three, especially venom, and undercuts the influence and importance of Bathory to consider them all in the first wave.


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I dont like Mayhem. ditto


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I also find classic Mayhem to be grossly overrated. But they were the first band in the second wave.


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Actually I think Mayhem are my favourite band out of all the "major names" in BM. This appears to put me in a minority in this forum at least. :oops:

Clearly they have the honour of being the first name that springs into more mainstream folks minds when they think of "black metal"... Even appearing on a VH1 countdown of the 100 "most rock n roll" moments for that whole pigs head thing. :?

However, amongst more dedicated BM fans, I think they have suffered- credibility wise- from being singled out as THE originators of the second wave, and THE most influential band. In any genre, if a band is labelled so then there will be a backlash against them, IMO.


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I too think the whole or Mayhem is a joke. The only decent thing they did was making way for Burzum to see the light, but that would have happened eventually even if they had never existed. Euronymous mentallita was that of nowadays norsecore, and all they gave birth to was crappy satanic BM bands and norsecore/mainstream BM. For me, out of the names Emperor, Ulver, Ildjarn, Burzum, Darkthrone, Mayhem and Satyricon, I can leave Darkthrone, Mayhem and Emperor without having to sacrifice more than twenty bands that I like that would not exist the way they are without the existance of those three. I'm sure many will disagree with me on Darkthrone and Emperor, but know that I can leave Mayhem out without losing anything I like in black metal.


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This is a CLASSIC,but im not very fond of Mayhem,if i had to pick one of the mayor names of that BM era,i will definately pick Bathory,that is a band(one man actually) that deserves the the title of inovators,of course im not very educated in Black Metal.


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Yes, it's a classic for the sheer influence it had, but I still think it sucks. 8)


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i'm not too fond of mayhem either but every body have to agree that Live In Leipzig is a fucking cool live album!


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Skaldr wrote:
i'm not too fond of mayhem either but every body have to agree that Live In Leipzig is a fucking cool live album!


Yes Live In Leipzig is better than this.


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Out From the Dark is better, but this is nice.


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I first was of the idea that Mayhem were shit, but after giving DMDS several spins it finally clicked, and I consider it a superb album. The tones, the riffs, the melodies, everything is very impressive.

Anyway, DMDS is the only Mayhem that's worth a dime, GDoW and Chimera are boring as fuck, specially the later.

As for Deathcrush, I believe it's a classic because of it's role in the BM world, not because of it's musical quality per se.


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deathkvlt wrote:
GDoW and Chimera are boring as fuck, specially the later.


GDoW is actually the best Mayhem album to my mind, but I could see why you wouldn't like it. Out From the Dark is great, though: non-live Dead-era Mayhem!

You'll never, ever find the LP, try going for the mp3's.


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Deathcrush and DMDS are two classics indeed. But I can't understand how you guys can say they're not good musicially. I think they rule. The discussion here should be "are they really black metal?". More like blackened death metal IMO, but of course there wasn't much of that thing called blackened death or even black metal back then. But they're still good.


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Deathcrush is absolutely an undefiable classic because of the impact it had in the Black Metal world. It's hard to find any Black Metal band that wasn't influenced by Mayhem somehow, directly or indirectly.

Riff-wise, Mayhem aren't that great, but as far as atmospherics go, they are totally awesome.

I remember picking up DMDS and trying to listen to it (I mean, actually listening to it) and found it pretty boring until one day I decided to put it in while I was working out and was blown away.


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A quote from the review : Altars of Madness is a silly cartoon-like creation in comparison to the harshness of Mayhem's brutal endeavor.

Cody must die! :evil:


deathkvlt wrote:
...DMDS is the only Mayhem that's worth a dime, GDoW and Chimera are boring as fuck, specially the later.

As for Deathcrush, I believe it's a classic because of it's role in the BM world, not because of it's musical quality per se.


I agree 100% with you on this.

np : Mayhem - Funeral Fog


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It's hard to find any Black Metal band that wasn't influenced by Mayhem somehow, directly or indirectly.

I think that's very easy if you look at real black metal. Sure, there is still quite a lot influenced the way you describe, but at least half of the bands has nothing to do with Mayhem. About a fair part of those, you can say the do have something in common with Burzum, and Burzum is influenced by Mayhem, but I don't think so. Varg may have played in Mayhem, but there is zero Mayhem in Burzum...


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Gast1 wrote:
Legacy Of The Night wrote:
It's hard to find any Black Metal band that wasn't influenced by Mayhem somehow, directly or indirectly.

I think that's very easy if you look at real black metal. Sure, there is still quite a lot influenced the way you describe, but at least half of the bands has nothing to do with Mayhem. About a fair part of those, you can say the do have something in common with Burzum, and Burzum is influenced by Mayhem, but I don't think so. Varg may have played in Mayhem, but there is zero Mayhem in Burzum...


It's hard to find any rock/metal band that wasn't influenced by Chuck Berry.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:17 pm 
Saying you hate Mayhem for spawning a bunch of bands you dislike is like saying you hate the Ramones for spawning Good Charlotte. In other words, a statement of dubious logic!

Also, I think Mayhem has some very good riffs, esp. Pagan Fears.


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