Opeth - Ghost Reveries (#2911)

noodles · **Posted:** Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:53 am

Dead Machine wrote:

Please understand, I'm not attacking the band, I want to hear a straight-up answer as to why they're so original and wonderful that doesn't include light and shade dynamics.

Can anyone tell me?

Because they are basically the only death metal band that people who don't even like metal can enjoy.

I don't really think they are the most original band ever (that award probably goes to Mr. Bungle). But they also don't fit especially well into any one genre of metal (unless progressive melodic death metal counts as a genre, but AFAIK there aren't any other progressive melodeath bands out there).

And I think Mikael's death vocals are some of the best there are, so I guess it just comes down to opinion.

blunt · **Posted:** Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:54 am

Dead Machine wrote:

blunt wrote:

This Pink Floyd comparison goes too far. Sure there are some stylistic similarities, but even thats stretching it. Opeth write minor scale riffs using vastly different underlying harmonies and scales.

I don't hear many b5 and b2 intervals in Pink Floyd's music. And if you don't know what they are well.........

And as to put you in the position of defending your holy grail of Pink Floyd I believe they are the most singularly overrated piece of insomnia producing drivel ever heard. I mean boring or what..

Man get a grip. Pink Floyd And Opeth sounding alike-- bollocks!!!!

I never said that I loved Pink Floyd, you idiot. I enjoy them, they're OKAY, but nothing wondrously mind-blowing. Probably much better on LSD.

And second off, their riffs sound alike. It's a fact. Sorry if you can't appreciate it, but then again, all you ever really do is attack people's opinions with undeserved vitriol.

So fuck off and stop being an ass. All you ever seem to do is jump into discussions and attack random statements.

EDIT- One note, I don't know what b5 and b2 intervals are because I don't play in a band/ play an instrument. If this makes me unfit to judge the qualities or relative similarities between bands, then so be it.

At the very least, I'll agree that I'm not qualified to evaluate it deeply from a technical standpoint. Shallowly, yes. Deeply, no.

Settle down. And no i don't just jump in and randomly criticise. I target errors that i see as well errors of judgement based on my listening and musical experience.

Mmm never quite got this reaction from this site before. And well from a musicians standpoint the gulf between the bands are vast. Hey you hear a Pink Floyd riff and its sounds like Opeth. I don't. And just because you don't play an instrument certainly does not disqualify tou from judging anything. I am simply pointing out a fundamental difference that "I" hear in both bands approaches from a scale based analysis which of course means basically they play different riffs.

And underserved vitriol, I seem to be getting some it would seem,

but hey I love this site. Great reviews, well set out.

Dead Machine · **Joined:** Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2527

noodles wrote:

Dead Machine wrote:

Please understand, I'm not attacking the band, I want to hear a straight-up answer as to why they're so original and wonderful that doesn't include light and shade dynamics.

Can anyone tell me?

Because they are basically the only death metal band that people who don't even like metal can enjoy.

And I think Mikael's death vocals are some of the best there are, so I guess it just comes down to opinion

That's about the best answer I've gotten all thread, along with lizardtails.

Dead Machine · **Joined:** Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2527

blunt wrote:

Settle down. And no i don't just jump in and randomly criticise. I target errors that i see as well errors of judgement based on my listening and musical experience.

Mmm never quite got this reaction from this site before. And well from a musicians standpoint the gulf between the bands are vast. Hey you hear a Pink Floyd riff and its sounds like Opeth. I don't. And just because you don't play an instrument certainly does not disqualify tou from judging anything. I am simply pointing out a fundamental difference that "I" hear in both bands approaches from a scale based analysis which of course means basically they play different riffs.

And underserved vitriol, I seem to be getting some it would seem,

but hey I love this site. Great reviews, well set out.

Okay, sorry about attacking you. Long as you're not as arrogant as your original post made it seem, then I should have acted better.

Anyway, you seem to have summed up the problem: I hear Pink Floyd in Opeth, you don't. So we'll probably never agree unless I clone my brain and replace yours with the cloned one.

Brother of Metal · **Posted:** Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:27 am

Anyway, you seem to have summed up the problem: I hear Pink Floyd in Opeth, you don't. So we'll probably never agree unless I clone my brain and replace yours with the cloned one.[/quote]

You are right in a way, there is a bit of Pink Floyds style but they sounded more 80s with all psycadellic ( i think thats how its spelled) stuff, Opeth might be influeced by pink floyd but only in their soft songs with all the crazy sounds but even at that Opeth's sounds are explored more, but the heavy stuff is purely Opeth.

Dead Machine · **Joined:** Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2527

Brother of Metal wrote:

You are right in a way, there is a bit of Pink Floyds style but they sounded more 80s with all psycadellic ( i think thats how its spelled) stuff, Opeth might be influeced by pink floyd but only in their soft songs with all the crazy sounds but even at that Opeth's sounds are explored more, but the heavy stuff is purely Opeth.

For future reference, it's spelled Psychadelic.

lizardtail · **Posted:** Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:35 am

I don't want to be a bastard, but it's psychedelic

Dead Machine · **Joined:** Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2527

lizardtail wrote:

I don't want to be a bastard, but it's psychedelic

...

I need to get some sleep or more coffee, either works.

Legacy Of The Night · **Posted:** Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:26 am

I heard "The Grand Conjuration" and think it's absolutely fantastic. I'm gonna buy this album when I can.

Also, why do people bother to give this album a 0 just because they hate Opeth? If you hate Opeth, that's fine with me, but it's just stupid and quite immature to give the album a 0 because of that.

Orion · **Posted:** Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:21 am

Legacy Of The Night wrote:

I heard "The Grand Conjuration" and think it's absolutely fantastic. I'm gonna buy this album when I can.

Also, why do people bother to give this album a 0 just because they hate Opeth? If you hate Opeth, that's fine with me, but it's just stupid and quite immature to give the album a 0 because of that.

Agreed. Giving this album a 0 just shows stupidity. I've only listened to this album a couple time but i enjoy it. I'll have to listen to it a few more times to give it a solid score but right now i'd say it's going to be in the 90-94 range.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:01 am

Legacy Of The Night wrote:

I heard "The Grand Conjuration" and think it's absolutely fantastic. I'm gonna buy this album when I can.

Also, why do people bother to give this album a 0 just because they hate Opeth? If you hate Opeth, that's fine with me, but it's just stupid and quite immature to give the album a 0 because of that.

Yeah i noticed that too. Its a little silly that people are voting strategically to bring down the average. You guys are free to do what you want but ya'll should Vote what you think its worth for real and stop trying to make the aversge reflect what you think it should be.

Jason

EpicMetalFan30 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:18 am

Holy_Terror wrote:

Some people just "don't get" Opeth. For the same reason that others don't get early Nocturnal Rites, Cloven Hoof, or Jon Arch era Fates Warning. They're acquired tastes.

This is well said, but all the above bands are considerably different in the realms of metal.
Opeth- in a more atmospheric progressive sort of way and the other bands mentioned have solid/catchy songwriting, with mayeb the the exception of Fates Warning who falls somewhere in between both groups. All bands will be classic metal bands as time passes of course a few of those already are.

Is later Fates Warning really as bad as i hear it is??? I gave up a few years back

Anonymous · **Posted:** Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:23 am

Opeth = best metal band ever.

JeffMH · **Posted:** Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:05 am

Andy wrote:

Opeth = best metal band ever.

The funny thing is....even though thats a matter of opinion, it will probably still piss some people off.

Sniffbox · **Joined:** Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:19 am **Posts:** 1

I've listened to this album at least 5 times so far, and I like it a lot. I don't mind if other people don't like it and hate Opeth; this one is already in the bag for me. I use this site to find new music and good albums, I'm not gonna try and convince other people to like them. If they don't like it, it's their loss.

Some people need to just settle down, go listen to whatever is more their taste and move on.

blunt · **Posted:** Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:14 am

Dead Machine wrote:

blunt wrote:

Settle down. And no i don't just jump in and randomly criticise. I target errors that i see as well errors of judgement based on my listening and musical experience.

Mmm never quite got this reaction from this site before. And well from a musicians standpoint the gulf between the bands are vast. Hey you hear a Pink Floyd riff and its sounds like Opeth. I don't. And just because you don't play an instrument certainly does not disqualify tou from judging anything. I am simply pointing out a fundamental difference that "I" hear in both bands approaches from a scale based analysis which of course means basically they play different riffs.

And underserved vitriol, I seem to be getting some it would seem,

but hey I love this site. Great reviews, well set out.

Okay, sorry about attacking you. Long as you're not as arrogant as your original post made it seem, then I should have acted better.

Anyway, you seem to have summed up the problem: I hear Pink Floyd in Opeth, you don't. So we'll probably never agree unless I clone my brain and replace yours with the cloned one.

No one is saying they don't hear Pink Floyd in Opeth. But when you say their riffs are the same I just wonder. Sure their is an influence.

Did Metallica influence Exodus, Testament and Megadeth (cough).

Did Dream Theater influence Symphony X.

Did AC/DC influence hard rock. I just think you are being incredibly narrow minded about the whole creative process, deriving it out to one band which is surely false. Who knows what influences Akefeldt has.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:52 am

Now that I've had the album a while, I think I dead on agree with the 98.

It comes out tomorrow, can't wait to get it.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:49 am

opinion pah... its a fact!

Opeth is my favorite band.

otakon · **Posted:** Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:18 am

blunt wrote:

Did Metallica influence Exodus, Testament and Megadeth (cough).

Please mate, EXODUS influenced metallica

and metallica started being mediocre after they ran out of Angel Witch, Diamond Head, Gary Holt and Dave Mustaine riffs to steal.

I guess Opeth is decent, i just find their music boring

xyxyxma · **Joined:** Thu Dec 09, 2004 10:48 am **Posts:** 26

Man, the riff at the end of Harlequin Forest is the absolute TITS! *puts it on repeat*.

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