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Only because Death Metal as a genre is quite samey in general, and Nile has a certain atmosphere to all their songs.


No, the riff construction is largely similar to FoA on those stripped-down songs.

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Nile innovated from day one. What, they have to push the genre further on every single release? Who are they, Opeth? :roll:


If Nile hadn't been innovators, nobody would've paid attention to them in the first place. Now they're just a slumbering zombie parody of what they used to be, as though a body snatcher from outer space grabbed hold of Karl Sanders's mind.

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I only wrote that out of sarcasm, since that was what everone was saying about BT. If you can say it about BT, you can say it about any other band in existence. Like Darkthrone, for instance. And Nile.


But Nile DIDN'T have a formula to this release! It's not progression, it's regression. Up until now, every Nile album was different in the ways that the riffs fit together, in the song lengths, and such things. In Annihilation of the Wicked, you can dissect the album up like it was a turkey and toss the songs onto different albums. That's not a good thing.


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Red Machine wrote:
No, the riff construction is largely similar to FoA on those stripped-down songs.

So, they've gone back to their roots. :)

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If Nile hadn't been innovators, nobody would've paid attention to them in the first place. Now they're just a slumbering zombie parody of what they used to be, as though a body snatcher from outer space grabbed hold of Karl Sanders's mind.

That's your opinion.

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But Nile DIDN'T have a formula to this release! It's not progression, it's regression. Up until now, every Nile album was different in the ways that the riffs fit together, in the song lengths, and such things. In Annihilation of the Wicked, you can dissect the album up like it was a turkey and toss the songs onto different albums. That's not a good thing.


Actually, that's different from their previous albums, so is progression, no? Compare it to Emperor - Prometheus. That's a good thing, yet for Nile it's not? Maybe this is a sum-up of their career so far, before they go completely out there with their next release, a sort of "I"-"Catch 33" situation.


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ladsterboombox wrote:
So, they've gone back to their roots. :)


Still not progression.

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That's your opinion.


No fucking duh.

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Actually, that's different from their previous albums, so is progression, no? Compare it to Emperor - Prometheus. That's a good thing, yet for Nile it's not? Maybe this is a sum-up of their career so far, before they go completely out there with their next release, a sort of "I"-"Catch 33" situation.


It's not different from their previous albums. Making an album sound like it was pieced together from the b-sides of previous albums is not progression, no matter how much you paint it that way.


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It's not different from their previous albums. Making an album sound like it was pieced together from the b-sides of previous albums is not progression, no matter how much you paint it that way.


We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Of course, I'm arguing from a disadvantage here, having not actually heard the whole thing yet, but from what I've heard it's still pretty good. Nile is Nile, and is head and shoulders above most other bands, even if this is their weakest yet.


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chadsterboombox wrote:
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Of course, I'm arguing from a disadvantage here, having not actually heard the whole thing yet, but from what I've heard it's still pretty good. Nile is Nile, and is head and shoulders above most other bands, even if this is their weakest yet.


Uh, no offense zad, but it's best to listen to a full album before arguing its merits.


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zadsterboombox wrote:
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Of course, I'm arguing from a disadvantage here, having not actually heard the whole thing yet, but from what I've heard it's still pretty good. Nile is Nile, and is head and shoulders above most other bands, even if this is their weakest yet.


Uh, no offense zad, but it's best to listen to a full album before arguing its merits.


:) I've heard most of the tracks. Still, you're right, of course. I'll be getting their earlier stuff before this, though (I only have Amongst... :shock: ), so how's that for ignorance? :P

Have heard the other albums, though.


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zadsterboombox wrote:
:) I've heard most of the tracks. Still, you're right, of course. I'll be getting their earlier stuff before this, though (I only have Amongst... :shock: ), so how's that for ignorance? :P

Have heard the other albums, though.


Pretty good.

I think you know which ones to get next, in which order, right?


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:) I've heard most of the tracks. Still, you're right, of course. I'll be getting their earlier stuff before this, though (I only have Amongst... :shock: ), so how's that for ignorance? :P

Have heard the other albums, though.


Pretty good.

I think you know which ones to get next, in which order, right?


Off the top of my head:

Black Seeds Of Vengence
In Their Darkened Whatevers
Annihilation Of The Wikkid

And maybe In The Beginning, if I can be bothered, seeing as half the songs are on Amongst anyway.


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zadsterboombox wrote:
Off the top of my head:

Black Seeds Of Vengence
In Their Darkened Whatevers
Annihilation Of The Wikkid

And maybe In The Beginning, if I can be bothered, seeing as half the songs are on Amongst anyway.


Swap Black Seeds of Vengeance and In Their Darkened Shrines, then I'd agree.

In the Beginning is for the dudes who really, really love Nile.


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Swap Black Seeds of Vengeance and In Their Darkened Shrines, then I'd agree.

In the Beginning is for the dudes who really, really love Nile.

Explain why (former, not latter). I'm not arguing, just trying to understand.


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zadsterboombox wrote:
Explain why (former, not latter). I'm not arguing, just trying to understand.


Sure.

Black Seeds of Vengeance would be mediocre if it didn't have some of the best songs Nile ever wrote (To Dream of Ur, Black Seeds of Vengeance, Masturbating the War God). The rest of the album ranges from 'Good but not outstanding' to 'boring.' And the mix is fucking terrible.

In Their Darkened Shrines has more consistent songwriting, Nile's best epic song, the In Their Darkened Shrines story, and a great mix.

So get ITDS.


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zadsterboombox wrote:
Explain why (former, not latter). I'm not arguing, just trying to understand.


Sure.

Black Seeds of Vengeance would be mediocre if it didn't have some of the best songs Nile ever wrote (To Dream of Ur, Black Seeds of Vengeance, Masturbating the War God). The rest of the album ranges from 'Good but not outstanding' to 'boring.' And the mix is fucking terrible.

In Their Darkened Shrines has more consistent songwriting, Nile's best epic song, the In Their Darkened Shrines story, and a great mix.

So get ITDS.


OK, thanks.


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So get ITDS.


Best Nile album without a doubt.


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deathkvlt wrote:
Best Nile album without a doubt.


Damn right.

Only thing that could make it better was their old bassist. He had a great growl.

You know, the guy who was on Black Seeds but not ITDS. It might've been the drummer, actually.


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Yeah, plus Laureano only appears in ITDS and he's one of the best drummers ever. The things he does are simply amazing.


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Dead Machine wrote:
So get ITDS.


Best Nile album without a doubt.


Don't you mean... WORST NILE ALBUM?

Of course you don't. But, that's what I think.

Black Seeds is their only notable work. Amongst... is okay at best. But, Black Seeds has Black Seeds Of Vengeance, Defiling The Gates Of Ishtar, Masturbating The War God, Multitude Of Foes, Chapter For Transforming Into A Snake, Nas Ankhu Khan She En Asbiu, AND To Dream Of Ur. Dead Machine, you mentioned 3 of these, yet they are Nile's best. But, don't worry Nile over all is a mediocre band, so maybe you're point about this album being mediocre is standable (on my part.). However, you went off about progression, and Nile's lack there of on this latest album, but basically went verbal orgasm for ITDS? I hope you aren't saying what I think you're saying. That album compares to Mortician at its fast points, and compares to sleep at any other point. And I'm pretty sure Mortician (general association) and the concept of SLEEP have been around a lot longer than Nile, aka the creators of the most conceited, and BORING album ever made, ie ITDS. Fuck that album.

Oh, and I enjoy Mortician (at a weird level, which is why I find myself thinking of them whilst cringing at the sound of ITDS.), and that's about all the compliment I'll ever give ITDS.


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Wow, reading this a second time... I feel like a dick. I apologize for coming off so blunt, and being all gruff about it. But, oddly, it REALLY represents how I feel very well, so I'll leave it up.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:05 pm 
Please, shut up. ITDS has plenty of fast tracks, like Kheftiu Asar Butchiu, Churning the Maelstrom or Winds of Horus. I find it has the ideal tradeoff between fast tracks and epics, unlike both Black Seeds and their latest, which, apart from a few notable tracks, are very sleep inducing.

Individually, most of the songs on Black Seeds may be excellent, but combined... naah. Plus, the production is crap: the guitars are mixed way too low.


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ITDS is by far Nile's best album.


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I find Nile to be pretty bland most of the time, actually.


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