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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:31 pm 
Regardless of whether it's Black Metal Gospel or not, I cannot stand Burzum.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:52 pm 
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I have tried a little Burzum out and was far from impressed. Poor production, poor musicianship, no atmosphere, no feelings..
And I always kind of thought that metalreviews.com kept their hands of burzum because it ALWAYS ends up being about anything else than the music.
Either because sombody starts slamming Burzum for Vargs non-musical activities, or the other way around because some Burzum fanatic out of noway tell people not to criticize the album because of all the non-musical aspects of the Varg..

I must say i have been fed up pretty good with all this fuzz about bands and persons in the metal scene, when the fuzz is started because of their criminal activities rather than their music.

Like gorgoroth. Man have they got some exposure since that insident in february..


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I'd like to see some more black metal show up there. If nobody's willing to do Burzum, then how about Sacramentum's Far Away from the Sun , Mayhem's DMDS, or Immortal's Pure Holocaust? Perhaps some more Darkthrone, such as Panzerfaust or Transilvanian Hunger?

Too bad Averse Sefira's Homecoming's March isn't yet old enough to be considered a classic, or I'd request that as well...

As for other genres, where the fuck is The Jester Race? If you guys love older IF so much, why is there no review for this?

That's about all I have to request.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:09 pm 
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Regardless of whether it's Black Metal Gospel or not, I cannot stand Burzum.


I think that much was rather obvious already... :roll:

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I have tried a little Burzum out and was far from impressed. Poor production, poor musicianship, no atmosphere, no feelings..
And I always kind of thought that metalreviews.com kept their hands of burzum because it ALWAYS ends up being about anything else than the music.

Either because sombody starts slamming Burzum for Vargs non-musical activities, or the other way around because some Burzum fanatic out of noway tell people not to criticize the album because of all the non-musical aspects of the Varg..


It's the people that make it about something other than the music. That's not entirely the musician's fault really as people tend to hop to whatever the most controversial topic is.

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I must say i have been fed up pretty good with all this fuzz about bands and persons in the metal scene, when the fuzz is started because of their criminal activities rather than their music.

Like gorgoroth. Man have they got some exposure since that insident in february..


But the funny (not really) thing about this is that you could read the news of the Gorgoroth incident right here on this website. In fact, all the news clips make front page near the very top. Will you find any reviews of a Gorgoroth album here? No.

Furthermore, and even more to the point, the news regarding Varg's escape attempt last October can be found here as well. A review of any of Burzum albums? Nope.

So it seems like there may be a bit of a double standard here. Now whether it's intentional or not is pretty irrelevant. It's an easy way to only present the "negatives" a bit reminiscent to watching most news on TV. If you're adamant that you don't want Burzum on here, then don't have anything about Burzum on here (though people are bound to post on the message boards about it sooner or later, of course). I can even understand and respect that, the same way that I mentioned in another thread that even though I'd like to see "Goat Horns" reviewed, I could understand it might not be merely because the guys might not want to review an NSBM band. No problem. Be clear and honest about it if so. I understand it can be a touchy subject, moreso than your average Stratovarious news.

Whether it's listed here as a classic or not (I'm talking about "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" now, which was the original source of disagreement) doesn't change whether or not it actually is a classic. I can understand this album has a pretty limited appeal, and while it is regarded as a classic in black metal, it isn't very often considered so outside that. An album such as Emperor's "Anthems To the Welkin At Dusk", on the other hand, has more appeal even outside of the genre. Now that alone doesn't make it a classic, but if we're narrowing it down to the most absolute of classics, I an see how that would come first, and 'HLTO' might come much later or, simply not at all.

But that isn't even being presented, and instead it's the "crap production, awful music, Aryan propoganda" nonsense that I've unfortunately come to expect from people who give their "opinions" about music in one sentence.

And to be honest, I tend to agree with most of what deathkvlt said about that album. Nevertheless, as I have clearly stated, I would still understand if it never made it to the "CLASSICS" section no matter how much of an injustice I thought its exclusion was.

-Tyrion


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 Post subject: Re: What classics do you want to see reviewed?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:56 am 
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Jay@MetalReviews wrote:
As long as I have any say, I will not declare Burzum a classic. The production is GARBAGE, the music sucks and the whole thing is a front for the Aryan movement anyway.


Well the production isn't too bad imo.
I'd like to see Nargaroth's Black Metal ist Krieg reviewed.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:08 am 
chrash wrote:
Like gorgoroth. Man have they got some exposure since that insident in february..


Ya, but did you check out the pics? InSANE!


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:11 pm 
Helloween - Keeper of the seven keys part 1 or Walls of Jericho perhaps..?
Also, Rainbow - Long live rock 'n roll would be cool.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:58 pm 
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Tyrion wrote:
It seems like there may be a bit of a double standard here. Now whether it's intentional or not is pretty irrelevant. It's an easy way to only present the "negatives" a bit reminiscent to watching most news on TV. If you're adamant that you don't want Burzum on here, then don't have anything about Burzum on here (though people are bound to post on the message boards about it sooner or later, of course). I can even understand and respect that, the same way that I mentioned in another thread that even though I'd like to see "Goat Horns" reviewed, I could understand it might not be merely because the guys might not want to review an NSBM band. No problem. Be clear and honest about it if so. I understand it can be a touchy subject, moreso than your average Stratovarious news.

Whether it's listed here as a classic or not (I'm talking about "Hvis Lyset Tar Oss" now, which was the original source of disagreement) doesn't change whether or not it actually is a classic. I can understand this album has a pretty limited appeal, and while it is regarded as a classic in black metal, it isn't very often considered so outside that. An album such as Emperor's "Anthems To the Welkin At Dusk", on the other hand, has more appeal even outside of the genre. Now that alone doesn't make it a classic, but if we're narrowing it down to the most absolute of classics, I an see how that would come first, and 'HLTO' might come much later or, simply not at all.

But that isn't even being presented, and instead it's the "crap production, awful music, Aryan propoganda" nonsense that I've unfortunately come to expect from people who give their "opinions" about music in one sentence.

And to be honest, I tend to agree with most of what deathkvlt said about that album. Nevertheless, as I have clearly stated, I would still understand if it never made it to the "CLASSICS" section no matter how much of an injustice I thought its exclusion was.

-Tyrion


Amen


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 Post subject: Poll!!! Poll!!!!!
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:05 pm 
OK I seriously believe a poll should be started (is it even possible in this forum ? I donno) about if a Burzum album should be a classic or not.After all metalreviews.com is for the people by the people!!!


ehh ok.. i'll shut up now , but still I think a poll would be a good idea and would also be fun at the same time , so i'll say it once more:

POLL FOR BURZUM'S SAKE!!!!!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:43 pm 
Sweet- Desolation Boulevard
Maiden-# Of Beast
Rush-2112
Helloween-Keeper Pt1
Riot-Fire Down Under or Narita
Rainbow- On Stage
UFO- Stangers/Lights Out/Obsession
Alice Cooper- School's Out/Billion $ Babies/Welcome To My Nightmare/Goes To Hell
Ac/Dc-Let There Be Rock
Loudness-Live Loud Alive

For starters......


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:28 pm 
To Tyrion:

You have to remember Jay is just one member of metalreviews.com. There are plenty of other reviewers and the great thing about this site is no single person dictates what kind of scores or reviews are done here. It's solely up to the individual. If it were up to me there'd be A LOT less rock reviews here, but writers like Mike and sometimes Ben have a strong passion for AOR and Melodic Rock releases so that's their choice.

Though I'm by no means a Black Metal expert, since I enjoy all forms of Metal (minus "Nu-Metal", naturally), and I'm probably the only person on the staff that appreciates and reviews raw black metal and Black Metal in general as opposed to Jack or Jeff who are casual fans of certain bands. I'd be more than happy to review some Burzum, Gorgoroth, or Nokturnal Mortum, etc etc. To me, what the band does outside of their musical existence is their business. I can disagree or agree with it, but that really isn't the point. If I were writing a review of Burzum I wouldn't go on and on about Varg, I would solely review the CD based on the music. This isn't a political or social/ethical review site, it's a metal reviews site and last time I checked Burzum was Metal.

As for the constant dicussion of why certain bands or CDs aren't here. One thing you have to keep in mind is our first priority always has been, and always will be to new releases. While the archives will come in time, other reviewers and myself usually have a stack of promos to review and that is our first obligation. I've done reviews for a lot of Black Metal bands but no one ever comments on them (or rarely). While certain CD's definitely deserve proper reviews, don't get so hung up on the "classics" that you forget about the new bands out there either.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:52 pm 
Crims, I agree with that wholeheartedly. If I came across as sounding otherwise, that was not my intention. In fact, had Jay not responded in the manner he did originally (which is quite contrasting with what you said above), I wouldn't have said a thing.

-Tyrion


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:01 am 
Tyrion wrote:
Crims, I agree with that wholeheartedly. If I came across as sounding otherwise, that was not my intention. In fact, had Jay not responded in the manner he did originally (which is quite contrasting with what you said above), I wouldn't have said a thing.

-Tyrion


I know. Jay is of course entitled to his view point, I just wanted to make sure you knew he wasn't speaking for the team, only for himself and probably our non-extreme Metal fans on the staff hehe :)


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 Post subject: Bladibladibla
PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:19 pm 
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Djeez, some people are getting way too serious about what should or shouldn't be reviewed as a classic. The thing is, everyone's probably got his own classix.
Burzum this, Burzum that, get a life!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 2:10 am 
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Djeez, some people are getting way too serious about what should or shouldn't be reviewed as a classic. The thing is, everyone's probably got his own classix.
Burzum this, Burzum that, get a life!


It's not about Burzum. I should have thought that was obvious. In fact, I think it was.

-Tyrion


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 Post subject: Anybody heard of Thor?
PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:04 am 
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Hey everyone,

I don't know if this guy has any classics, but I've been reading online that this guy is one of Canada's most famous metal lead singers. From what I've read, I'm not sure what this guy is all about...seems like he's trying to be comical...not sure. Anyways, I'd be interested to hear from you guys opinions and comments about this Thor. Any plans for a review?


Thanks


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soon I'll post Moonspell's Sin/Pecado... how about that ?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:37 pm 
What about Possessed - Seven Churches? From what I've read, (I don't know if it's true, perhaps someone here would be better suited to confirm or deny) it's the first death metal album, and I do know that it's the album on which the term "death metal" was invented.

[Edit] Here we go...
Jeff Beccera, Possessed bassist/vocalist wrote:
I came up with that during an English class in high school. I figured speed metal and black metal were already taken, so what the fuck? So I said death metal, because that word wasn't associated with Venom or anybody else. It wasn't even about redefining it. We were playing this music and we were trying to be the heaviest thing on the face of the planet. We wanted just to piss people off and send everybody home. And that can't be, like, flower metal.


It's apparently also the first album to use traditional death growls.

Also note that I've never heard it myself, so I don't know if it's, you know, good. But it certainly appears to be extremely influential.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:39 pm 
Crims was talking about doing Possessed a while ago. He'll probably be up to doing it.

All I have to say about Thor is his movies are incredible and my friend is on his DVD.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:19 pm 
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I just discovered this topic and I wanted to add my classicrequests, but I saw that Deathkvlt already did them for me :D I just wanted to say that I agree with most of the Black Metal classic requests, Burzum fucking rules and I piss on metallica!! Still I think they have their classics. There you go...
old satyricon, darkthrone, burzum, nargaroth, emperor, mayhem, all of these bands have got their albums that should be considered classics! And I just can't stand Jay's mourning about production, black metal is in most cases better off with crappy production and flop flop flop beats, and if you cannot stand the genre then don't bother what people consider its classics. By the way, what kind of production did Reign In Blood have?


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