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Completely offtopic, but i feel i need to clarify something.

What i mean by nationalism is acknowledging (sp?) and respecting your own cultural roots (and those of others!).

I am by no means a racist (or a Varg fanboy, for that matter). I'm all for cultural diversity and cultural exchange, which promotes growth and development in society. But the way multiculturalism is implemented into society at the moment, thoughtlessly forcing cultures to clash, doesn't work. A reasonable degree of separatism (as in peaceful coexistance) would work much better.

I'm all for cultural exchange and understanding of other cultures. I'm just saying, there is a middle ground between total multiculturalism and total separatism (apartheid-style), that could very well work to make a better society.
I'm not anti-EU either. I just think that the leaders of European nations should be a bit more critical towards it and take more responsibility of their own countries.




Wiggers and skins, this is what multiculturalism has brought to us all!

I didn't suspect you were suggesting anything sinister, Jürgen, and I don't think rio did either (if I may be allowed to tell him what he's thinking for just a moment). In fact I do agree with you in that attempting to force multiculturalism is very naive and ignorant of people's wants and needs - something of a self created problem for certain losers to 'solve' so they can feel like they're changing something. This sort of posturing (I believe) can push already defensive people to something more extreme, and that is dangerous (I'm not saying we shouldn't do positive things for fear of certain idiots reacting negatively, but....well, maybe i am to a degree).

Apparently some MP here in Scotland plans to petition for the saltire (our blue 'n' white flag, infidels!) to be replaced with, and I shit you not, a rainbow pattern, to reflect the cultural diversity of our country in this day and age. :roll: :roll: :roll: :almighty roll: What do these people do, wake up in the morning and sit over their breakfast thinking up idiotic things they can suggest to improve the world?

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That is truly fucking ridiculous.

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You are joking, right?

No, deadly serious. Its just a more ludicrous version of the story from last year (or 2004?) where some fool in England wnated black stripes to be added to the union jack to represent....:sigh:.....to represent.....(oh God I'm embarassed even typing it)......BLACK PEOPLE. That's right, black folks, you aren't Scottish English Welsh or (Northern) Irish, you're black. You get your own part of the flag! So the nations of Great Britain would go Scotland, England, Northen Ireland, Wales and Black. God, talk about misplaced sentiment.

[By the way, there is no danger of this stuff actually happening, but that really is how some people think]

My darling is so kvlt

I disagree. Accepting any level of segregation allows inequality to exist. It will never move towards a more ideal, less prejudice society without multiculturalism. Not only will racism exist, but undoubtedly, economic differences between these segregated cultures will be notable. In a capitalist society, any sort of racial, sexist, or ethnic segregation will result in an economic hiearchy, as it quite obviously has. In a society in which economic and social success lie in individualism, the government must ensure that everyone is looked at as equal individuals.

I do not know why you say that forcing "cultures to clash" does not work. Here in Canada it certainly has. We redefined Canadian culture to that of one of diversity and multiculturalism, and thus it has become patriotic and Canadian to be accepting of everyone--not just our array of cultures, or gender differences, but gays and lesbians too. The fact is, prejucide is unacceptable, and means must be taken in order to correct the wrongs, even if momentarily sacrificial (but I really do not think that they are).

Exactly right, Jaden. In Britain we have seen that racial tensions decrease over time in multicultural areas. Proportionally speaking, the most racist parts of the UK are the ones where immigrants have only recently begun to arrive. In areas that have been diverse for a long time, tolerance is steadily rising- excluding the immediate aftermath of events like the July bombings, when attacks on Asians dramatically increased.

Anyway, this suggests that multiculturalism is not something that needs to be forced. Or else, if it is greeted with hostility in areas without much experience of it, it eventually proves to be the cure for prejudice- not the cause.

Who the crap is Misha?

By the way NESS...your girlfriend is HOT!! Tsssssss!

Misha = Gast

Really? :shock: That pic on the Frappr site looks like a different person! Haha. Honestly, no joke, I started thinking Misha was Gast's boyfriend! :roll:

Oh... she is.

Cultural interaction is good. Cultural differences create cultural interaction. Multiculturalism destroys cultural diversity by assimilating cultures.

Assimilation is not always bad, as long as it happens naturally. But it shouldn't be forced.

Wrong. Multiculturalism is a contrasting approach to assimilation. It is the mozaic approach, rather than the melting pot approach. The goal of multiculturalism is to encourage acceptance of diversity, not to eliminate it.

As i said before, i'm not talking about racial separation done apartheid-style. I'm talking about respecting and preserving (but not ruling out natural progress) your own culture (and others, of course), encouraging diversity, not inequality.



I agree with this. I just don't believe that economic and social equality demand multiculturalism.



Where did i say it wasn't?



That's one approach to multiculturalism. Too bad it isn't the way it's done now. And i'm not sure if it even can work that way. The mosaic eventually turns into a melting pot.

You know it doesn't work that way. Weaker cultures are bound to be lost. So this positive way of looking is just dreaming.

I liked the thread until it started to get into politics...

Sorry, i never meant to turn this into a political discussion. I just felt i needed to explain myself a little better. But i feel like i've pretty much made my point now.

Now shut the fuck up and post more pictures of hot chicks!

I don't think that's necessarily true. At least, I can't think of an example of it happening in the UK. By that I mean that no immigrant cultural bodies have been forced to abandon their ways of life except in very extreme circumstances.

And no, I don't want to turn this into a political discussion either. So I'll just say @ Jurgen: I don't believe you have any prejudicial views at all, so I'm not making any accusations But I think the definition of multiculturalism involves specifically avoiding the assimilation approach- so as soon as we start using assimilation as a term then we are actually talking about a different system entirely, such as the French used to have before it all fell apart.

What I've seen here is that people who have gone for work for even a few years in other countries did change a lot. Maybe we should shout up, I don't really disagree with you or Jaden, I just think that things don't really work that way but they should.