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I'm interested to see which one of these is an insult and which is justifiable mod-worthy behavior.

BTW: These are only hypothetical statements created to test this question.

All right dude... I think its time for all this to stop. We've all bashed the shit out of each other for 24 hours, now lets go all make out with each other like we used to. Leave the past behind, blah blah blah, yes, everybody stop bitching.

I'm just posing a question in relation to the situation at hand. This is an attempt to see what the forum goers think is or isn't an insult.

If this were accurate I'd vote, but nothing I ever said was THAT bad.

Accurate?

Your defense of your PM was that you didn't insult or flame in any way, simply posed a question. Are we to take it then, that that guise only extends so far as your comments? What are the exact parameters for insult and innocent question?

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Both are insults. The fact that one is a question does nothing to revoke it of its insult-status.



It's accurate in terms of sentence structure... asking someone if they're stupid or dumb or not is the equivalent of saying 'you're an idiot,' if only because it provokes the statement 'I'm not stupid,' which is never uttered unless true.

If you're going to call someone an idiot, at least have the balls to say it outright instead of just dancing around the issue like some sort of magical internet-fairy.

I suggest you look up the work "context."

My PM:

Do you just like to argue so you ignore things, or are you just that annoyingly dumb? I mean, you can't be that dumb. A running joke on the board being scrutinized by someone who doesn't understand that is laughable. Even moreso after they've been told that very same thing a hundred times.

I've heard enough about you to understand you like cause fights. The almighty "V." Fine. Whatever. Try and actually argue things that make sense next time.

Ken

You'll notice it is sarcastic, but not insulting. You'll also notice the tone of my words are not nearly as harsh as those you've posted.

I believe I called him an idiot a few times in that thread. And I was right.

Thank you. I knew I wasn't crazy.


It really is useless attempting to say anything to you that suggests a wrongdoing on your part isn't it? It's obvious to many of us that your message was insulting. You feign innocence and ask for proof, and when it's presented you deny that anyone could possibly see it in a different light than the one you claim to have written it in. I for one, don't buy it, and at least some others don't either. I guess all we can do is sit back and shut up, and hope we don't also get banned for arguing with you.

Then you did antagonize him and all he did was react in a justified manner. The fact that he posted it twice was due to the context of the thread, realizing where it would've been more likely to get responses, which he wanted to provoke so more people would think about the issue at hand.

His point was not CONFINED to the running joke, it had to do with your behavior in general that he'd observed... recall that V. spent a lot of time lurking.

Explaining and rexplaining the fact that that ONE incident was a joke obviously did nothing to alleviate what he was saying because you were missing the forest for a ladybug crawling up the trunk of a sapling.

I believe that is somewhere around the kind of thing that makes people here so resentful of you, your modship, and the ensuing ban of V.

Actually I called him an idiot because I truly believe he's an idiot. I didn't do it to antagonize. He posted it twice because he's a troublemaker. You're a sympathizer because you actually like to be that guy as well, you've admitted this.

And actually, he was arguing one point and one point only. My behavior in general?, some of you keep saying this, and I ask again, WHAT BEHAVIOR? Where have I been out of line? I disagree with people here, but I disagree in a mature way, he was starting a flame war for the sake of starting a flame war. He was antagonizing from the start. Yes, that provoked an attitude from me, but even then a sarcastic comment now and again doesn't overshadow the FACT that I tried to continuously reason with the guy.

He didn't listen, you won't listen, words mean nothing unless they're what you want to hear. My words are on this board unedited, if anyone cares to find out who's right or wrong here.

Yeah, because I call people idiots all the time, right? Because I'm a prick, right? Goddamn. Do you guys love Valefor that much that the argument with him has now put me into asshole zone? My attitude towards him was a single instance, how am I now that person all the time here? Why? Because I like nu-metal and don't join in on all the nu-metal bashing? Because I like the new In Flames? Because I like Kittie and not black metal? Which is it?

As for the banning of Valefor. Try and accept this: His stupidity got him banned. Not just one instance, his continued and historical arrogance and childishness got him banned. It had nothing to do with me.

Insults, whether or not they are intended to mean what is said or otherwise, serve to antagonize.

You think he posted it twice because you're blind to any other side but one that favors yourself... the meaning's obvious if you look at the posting times.



Eyesore, what I and V were/are saying is that you insult people and then when they get pissy, you say it was a joke. As V said,



Paraphrased, but that gets the point across well enough.



I'm not going to search through 2000+ posts to find examples that you'll inevitably attack as being out of context, which'll leave me right where I started minus an hour of my life that I could've spent shooting zombies.

It's not bloody worth it. My point's been made, if you have an issue, the ball's in your court, you can hit it back or let it through.

Did I call him an idiot right off the bat? No. He posted it twice because he's a drama queen. My actions in that argument are not representative of my overall nature on this board.


When I insult people?? Are you saying I do so all the time?? I said it one time! And again, if I call NESS a prick, YOU have no right saying anything because NESS will get it. As was the case in that thread. In that thread I said "I'm laughing at you, not at the joke" or something like that, the point was obvious. How it was not clear it was a joke is beyond me. What set people off is the "black metal sucks" comment which is so goddamn insiginificant it's hilarious that it's gone this far. Especially considering 99% of you here claim all nu-metal sucks, rap sucks, all kinds of things SUCK! Yet, black metal is so fucking precious that I'm defending myself on a comment made a few times, yet you guys make WHOLLY ignorant comments about bands and genres you clearly know nothing about.

But that's cool, right?

There are many who would disagree, but I suppose their opinions mean nothing because they're all V sympathizers and don't understand the context of what you say. What you say must have some MYSTICAL context... on the ASTRAL PLANE or some deep, deep shit like that, because nobody seems to be right but you and a few others... are they the ASTRAL TRAVELERS? They travel with you through the planes?

He's a drama queen. Flat statement. Of fact it would seem. Yes, fact, that elusive, slippery beast... and yet it would seem that the fact animal is a beast of burden as well, what with all the different truths poor fellow's carrying around, hmm?



You call people idiots and pricks all the time. Most of your opening statements in musical arguments are 'Are you stupid?' or 'Are you crazy?' etc etc.

I don't care about the black metal sucks thing anymore, it was insignificant and at best slightly annoying.

THIS IS A JOKE: Eyesore fucks sheep.

Does the 'this is a joke' excuse the latter statement?

Elusive is the meaning and point of what you just said. Many people would disagree, fine, it's so easy to say it, but I have over 3,000 posts, it shouldn't be too hard to find examples.


You're taking things out of context and arguing something that doesn't exist. This is a sign of not having a real foundation to stand on. Sorry. Saying "Are you crazy? :shock: " in a discussion on the quality of a band/album is insulting? Come on, dude, you're arguing semantics now!

It's hot as hell outside! Uh-oh...is it? Come on everybody, let's get LITERAL!

If I were to go find examples, then you'd dismiss them as being out of context, or not insulting, or you'd say that I'm not qualified to judge how insulting they were due to the fact that they weren't directed towards me.

You always do this. You say something, someone takes it the wrong way, BAM SHITSTORM IN THE SYL SENSE, you back up and say it was a joke, and then everyone shuts up.

The fact that this is such an issue with so many people should lead you to the conclusion that you're at fault and not everyone else, but I see that that isn't going to happen with you. RC's said it best already.



I was including that for accuracy, not because it's insulting. The other two certainly are.

You ignored the question.

JOKE: MetalNESS is a manwhore.

Does the 'JOKE' excuse the latter statement or would it be better to make a joke in better taste?

I always do this?? WHEN?? When do I always do this? That is a straight up bullshit comment! Again, 3,000 posts, show me where I always do this, dude.

I don't have such an issue with so many people, Valefor was a prick that started fights and screwed over the people who built this site. Yet you people defend him?!?! That is baffling! So Valefor gets banned because he was an asshole and deserved to get banned and I become the scapegoat. Someone like T.I.E.—who's never said a negative thing towards me, by the way—decides to lead an e-crusade against me because I'm such a bad moderator. A couple of you jumped on the bandwagon just because you like Valefor and you're bored or whatever. Then you starting spouting off completely ignorant statements with little or no basis in fact, and you refuse to prove it or even attempt to. And, of course, that's because I will simply blow it off. My fault again. That's fine.

None of that changes anything. Valefor got himself banned. Not me. You got yourself stripped of your admin rights. Not me. I have moderated virtually nothing here except to move threads and delete a few blatant spam threads. Goddamn the bad, undeserving mod!


See, this is where one of those "Are you really that dumb?" questions are appropriate. Like Rad's silly poll, you're making something up, typing out one sentence and trying to pretend like the meaning is the same and can be analyzed as such. It's not. In what context is this statement presented in? Alone it could have numerous connotations. You have a lot to learn.