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who's side are you taking ?
Valefor/Belethor 60%  60%  [ 15 ]
Eyesore 28%  28%  [ 7 ]
I'd like to remain neutral for I'm a coward... 12%  12%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 25
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:36 am 
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Yeah, these last few days I've been a prick. So many accusations, so little proof. Every word I wrote is out there, go and find me breaking the rules.

can't you realise you can very well be a prick while acting by the rules ? why do you have to be so stubborn, so sure that you're right all the time ? not once have a soul seen you apologizing about your behaviour around here... you acted like a prick proving yourself to be a very bad moderator, deal with it... even better, use it to change yourself into a better mod', i'm sure it's all inside of you... let it come out man, we all need it to come out !!!

I am a member of this forum like everyone else, do not tell me to be a better moderator when you know damn well you don't want a moderator here.

I will not apologize for disagreeing with someone, but if I have come off the wrong way to someone here I have apologized. My behavior is not an issue at all because my behavior has not been out of line. Again, I implore you to prove that point. Then we'll talk.



can we talk just cause? :oops:


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Eyesore wrote:
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Yeah, these last few days I've been a prick. So many accusations, so little proof. Every word I wrote is out there, go and find me breaking the rules.

can't you realise you can very well be a prick while acting by the rules ? why do you have to be so stubborn, so sure that you're right all the time ? not once have a soul seen you apologizing about your behaviour around here... you acted like a prick proving yourself to be a very bad moderator, deal with it... even better, use it to change yourself into a better mod', i'm sure it's all inside of you... let it come out man, we all need it to come out !!!

I am a member of this forum like everyone else, do not tell me to be a better moderator when you know damn well you don't want a moderator here.

I will not apologize for disagreeing with someone, but if I have come off the wrong way to someone here I have apologized. My behavior is not an issue at all because my behavior has not been out of line. Again, I implore you to prove that point. Then we'll talk.

Just because you like to mask your insults in various ways doesn't mean you can fool everyone here into thinking you aren't throwing them. Do you really think that it's some amazing coincidence that a number of the people on this forum accuse you of the same thing? It's obvious many don't think you should have been modded in the first, and now the largest portion of vocal members are siding against you in this latest V. problem.

Christ, if you'd just stop acting so damn untouchable and pure you might piss a lot less people off. But no, just keep on doing your thing, because as the past has proven the outcry of the members of this forum and all the discussion in the world amounts to nothing in the eyes of those who run this site.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:46 am 
Radical Cut wrote:
Eyesore wrote:
T.I.E. wrote:
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Yeah, these last few days I've been a prick. So many accusations, so little proof. Every word I wrote is out there, go and find me breaking the rules.

can't you realise you can very well be a prick while acting by the rules ? why do you have to be so stubborn, so sure that you're right all the time ? not once have a soul seen you apologizing about your behaviour around here... you acted like a prick proving yourself to be a very bad moderator, deal with it... even better, use it to change yourself into a better mod', i'm sure it's all inside of you... let it come out man, we all need it to come out !!!

I am a member of this forum like everyone else, do not tell me to be a better moderator when you know damn well you don't want a moderator here.

I will not apologize for disagreeing with someone, but if I have come off the wrong way to someone here I have apologized. My behavior is not an issue at all because my behavior has not been out of line. Again, I implore you to prove that point. Then we'll talk.

Just because you like to mask your insults in various ways doesn't mean you can fool everyone here into thinking you aren't throwing them. Do you really think that it's some amazing coincidence that a number of the people on this forum accuse you of the same thing? It's obvious many don't think you should have been modded in the first, and now the largest portion of vocal members are siding against you in this latest V. problem.

Christ, if you'd just stop acting so damn untouchable and pure you might piss a lot less people off. But no, just keep on doing your thing, because as the past has proven the outcry of the members of this forum and all the discussion in the world amounts to nothing in the eyes of those who run this site.

Mask my insults? If I choose to insult someone I insult them. I mask nothing. Again, please find examples and we'll talk. I mean, so many vocal members must mean that my insults are blatant and rampant. So find them.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:50 am 
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Well, just a few posts back you dropped this gem:
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I have no problems with Aaron, he's a good kid and very intelligent, but I think sometimes he reverts back to a typical 15 year old shithead.


Defend it all you want, but it's obvious that this is nothing but a well-woven insult.

And the infamous PM to V. You asked him if he was stupid, oh but it was just a question. You must think we're all incredibly stupid too to think we don't understand what you were implying there.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:01 am 
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I think everybody just takes things the wrong (or right) way differently. Meaning, So and So#1 said this, but So and So #2 took it this way when really So and So#1 wanted to say this. The internet makes it hard to decipher how somebody is saying something. I could say FUCK YOU!!! But you would have no idea I said that in a very high pitched voice with a lot of sarcasm while cracking my voice and winking at you. I know we can type little words like *Wink* *High Pitched Voice* *I farted while saying this* but things still get taken the wrong way.


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metalNESS wrote:
I think everybody just takes things the wrong (or right) way differently. Meaning, So and So#1 said this, but So and So #2 took it this way when really So and So#1 wanted to say this. The internet makes it hard to decipher how somebody is saying something. I could say FUCK YOU!!! But you would have no idea I said that in a very high pitched voice with a lot of sarcasm while cracking my voice and winking at you. I know we can type little words like *Wink* *High Pitched Voice* *I farted while saying this* but things still get taken the wrong way.


FUCK YOU *IN THE HIGHEST PITCH VOICE*

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:11 am 
Radical Cut wrote:
Well, just a few posts back you dropped this gem:
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I have no problems with Aaron, he's a good kid and very intelligent, but I think sometimes he reverts back to a typical 15 year old shithead.


Defend it all you want, but it's obvious that this is nothing but a well-woven insult.

And the infamous PM to V. You asked him if he was stupid, oh but it was just a question. You must think we're all incredibly stupid too to think we don't understand what you were implying there.

No, not at all. Nice that you pulled it completely out of context to prove your point. People usually do that when they're wrong. That was not an insult.

And my PM to Valefor did ask him if he was stupid, but what was the entire point of what I said in that PM? Don't pull a sentence or a word out of an entire thought and then try and argue it. What was my point there? It was the same point I tried to make a bunch of times previous to that.

But since you missed it: I was asking him why he insists on arguing with me about something he shouldn't be arguing about. Especially considering that it didn't involved him in the first place and that I'd explained myself a millions times already. I then said fine, whatever, and suggested that he argue something that makes sense next time.

Yes, it was sarcastic, but sorry, my friend, it was not insulting. This is almost identical to what I said the first time to him, and the second and third and fourth. My attitude came later. Maybe I'm crazy, but this doesn't seem like a very hard concept to grasp for even a complete idiot, everyone here should be able to understand this.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:17 am 
Eyesore wrote:
Mask my insults? If I choose to insult someone I insult them. I mask nothing. Again, please find examples and we'll talk. I mean, so many vocal members must mean that my insults are blatant and rampant. So find them.


I think Valefor and Eyesore are the same person.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:22 am 
metalNESS wrote:
I think everybody just takes things the wrong (or right) way differently. Meaning, So and So#1 said this, but So and So #2 took it this way when really So and So#1 wanted to say this. The internet makes it hard to decipher how somebody is saying something. I could say FUCK YOU!!! But you would have no idea I said that in a very high pitched voice with a lot of sarcasm while cracking my voice and winking at you. I know we can type little words like *Wink* *High Pitched Voice* *I farted while saying this* but things still get taken the wrong way.



Some very good points here. Most everybody here is a "regular," and can usually discern what is serious and what is not. Usually. I know many people think the smileys are gay or whatever, but maybe they can actually serve a purpose.....


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:28 am 
Mike @ MetalReviews wrote:
T.I.E. wrote:
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please don't do this.. I foresee bad things happening in this thread..


should I really care when a moderator of this very same website started it all ? :roll:

with authority comes responsability something Eyesore did not understand...


TIE:

You've been very vocal in your opposition to the fallout of this "war." Now, you're starting threads which are very quick to assign definite blame.

However, I find a previous post of your to be quite a paradox to what you are saying today.

belethor wrote:
Blimey!
Let's leave it at that...


Eyesore wrote:
Sure thing.


At that point, I thought we had a truce, and thus the thread would fall to the bottom of the page, and eventually die.

But 4 minutes later....

T.I.E. wrote:
Laughing

it was like a Poodle (E) trying to fuck a Rottweiler (V)

I want more ! Twisted Evil


My question is this: If you are so upset with the consequences of this "war," why did you stand on the sidelines throwing grenades once a truce had been reached? You weren't exactly a broker of peace in this instance. Hell, even saying nothing at all in this situation would have been helpful.

I'm not saying that you're holding the smoking gun in your hand, but one can only wonder if we'd be having this discussion now had you not made that perpetuating comment.

Of course, you're free to vent your opinions here, but if you're going to dish out blame so vehemently and definitively, you should also be willing to accept full accountability for the blood stains on your hands.


that was a simple Joke and Eyesore responded with "I didn't know Rottweiler could write" or something... another joke... did I add anything else ? I didn't...

can't people get a joke when they see one ? :roll:


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T.I.E. wrote:

can't people get a joke when they see one ? :roll:


Didn't this whole thing start over different interpretations of jokes?


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Once upon a time a wise man said: 'If you touch shit, it will make you smell like shit'.

Hence I will not take sides and my only comment to this farce will be that I’m generally opposed to banning people (unless it’s a case of severe harassment).


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This thread is insanely wank, and I name TIE King Wank for starting it.

I'm not going ito justify its existence by voting, but for the record I'm more or less with MetalNESS's stance.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:31 pm 
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can't people get a joke when they see one ? :roll:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Nice that you stood up for your homey Valefor, and then say this bullshit.

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Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala........and lalalalalalalalalalalalalalala!


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:33 pm 
The happiest day of my life in the last two months - I asked to remove myself as a moderator and got my wish (Mike, I feel your pain). I felt I had no right to have my name listed as a moderator if I have no time to devote to moderation. Especially, to moderate something that is completely unmanageable. I have made my commitment to this site more than 2 years ago, and I have kept it. You may or may not like my reviews, you may or may not like the material I had a chance to review - that is secondary. I applied for the job, I got the job, so I kept it and stuck to it.

Here is the case with V. He applied for the job shortly after me, he got the job, he wrote less than dozen of reviews, then he said he can't keep this commitment because he needs to devote more time to his family, career, etc. This is fair. What is not fair is to resign based on those grounds and then start posting what I have quoted below from Blackmetalreviews.com thread:

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Seriously, though. In the past ten weeks, there has been THREE BM reviews... and they were not even good bands.
They should change the name to "Generic Metal Reviews" at least to show a little truth in advertising.
Oh, I am sure that one of the administrators will defend their position on this as usual (seems like the only time they show up is when someone criticises the site), but really this is too much.
Time to find another site, methinks, for a little bit of help in deciding what and what not to spend my money on. Thanks, MR, for listening to the voices that comprise (at least a part) of this site.
V.


How come you do not have time to commit to reviewing, but you have time for 1365 forum messages? At that point I stopped calling it resignation on family grounds, but start calling it quitting. And quitting on a team, any team, is not a very respectable thing to do.
I guess I am echoing Mike's statement in some regards.

I have asked the same message Valefor, directly, in the past, and in my opinion he simply dodged the answer. If you decided to quit, then you have no right to complain about the contents of the site, review material, etc., because if it is so bad, why did you just blow your chance to better it??


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I don't know who valefor actually is in real life, but I always thought he was a great poster. Flame wars happened here all the time as far as I can remember, sometimes they were enormous, sometimes they were small, but everytime it all solved by itself.

WiC was an example of why should a member be banned (although I could care less about the porn crap he posted, I understand that a lot of people could be offended and even get in trouble).


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:31 pm 
His posts about black metal music, recommending bands, etc. were great, no question. His posts criticizing the site having just quit on the reviewership were a stab in the back. If he felt there was a problem, he should have been sticking around to fix it, not preach from the soapbox how many/little BM is being reviewed.


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Thread blocked-sorry guys, but this is just stupi-Wait, I can't block threads! Damn.


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Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
Thread blocked-sorry guys, but this is just stupi-Wait, I can't block threads! Damn.
:lol:




This whole business between E and V deserves a picture from Sir Wanksalot. I want a visual of this Flame WAR.


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