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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:26 pm 
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forget the milk being harmful thing, I was misinformed.

but people do drink it long after they've become intolerant. not really as much of a concern as I had thought.


Well, some people are lactose intolerant for their entire life. While nausea, cramps, bloating, gas, and diarrhea are not harmful, I'm sure they're not entirely pleasant either.


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I don't get it. Why are lions and tigers can eat meat and get away with it while when we do it it's murder ? Obviously lions can eat grass and shit and survive with it, so can we but neither we or they are meant to. We're born carnivores. Simple as that.


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I don't get it. Why are lions and tigers can eat meat and get away with it while when we do it it's murder ? Obviously lions can eat grass and shit and survive with it, so can we but neither we or they are meant to. We're born carnivores. Simple as that.


Blame PETA :twisted:


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Humans aren't carnivores, and lions can't eat grass. If nothing else, look at our teeth. We have molars (and they don't) for a reason. Humans are omnivores, more heavily weighted toward the vegetable matter side of things.

That being said, I am of the firm belief that if we weren't intended to eat animals, they wouldn't taste so delicious.


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Humans aren't carnivores, and lions can't eat grass. If nothing else, look at our teeth. We have molars (and they don't) for a reason. Humans are omnivores, more heavily weighted toward the vegetable matter side of things.


this, and our intestines are not as short as those of carnivorous animals.... we're closer to a goat than a lion... sorry for your ego people... :lol:


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Never have a wet dream under an electric blanket (do they still make those?)


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Going back to the milk issue, here's an interesting article about it.


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Legacy Of The Night wrote:
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I call that a mistake in the evolution of mankind and I have no doubt we'll all be vegetarians in 200 years from now ?


yep yep, our behaviour is full of inconsistencies. Another is that we drink milk far after our maturation process is complete which is actively harmful..

just between you and me I get the feeling that humans are a bit thick


Wait what? Milk is harmful?


Well, if you consider getting strong bones harmful, I suppose so.


You could accidentally punch yourself in the face and break your nose, whereas if you had soft, malleable bones, then you would break your hand instead.

Actually, you'd probably break both your hand and your nose. Nevermind.

For the record, animals are delicious and I don't particularly care about their feelings because of how delicious they are. If hamburgers were called 'Processed, Vivisected, Still-Screaming Cow,' I'd still eat em.


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Yeah, its survival of the fittest. And the guys in the abbatoir with the nailguns are definitely fitter than the cows.


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Yeah, its survival of the fittest. And the guys in the abbatoir with the nailguns are definitely fitter than the cows.


And if it's humanely slaughtered?


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Yeah, its survival of the fittest. And the guys in the abbatoir with the nailguns are definitely fitter than the cows.


It is, in a way. Humans were 'fit' (read: Smart) enough to create an efficient way of harvesting the delicious flesh of other animals for their own eating enjoyment.

T.I.E, we can't eat human flesh, it gives us a disease that makes holes appear in your brain, and then you die.


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T.I.E, we can't eat human flesh, it gives us a disease that makes holes appear in your brain, and then you die.


:lol:

the Minister says ? :roll:


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Why is everyone ignoring this? Read it, bastards.

Zad wrote:
Going back to the milk issue, here's an interesting article about it.


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T.I.E, we can't eat human flesh, it gives us a disease that makes holes appear in your brain, and then you die.


:lol:

the Minister says ? :roll:


If you eat too much over a period of time, that is. That's what caused Mad Cow disease in cows, they were eating leftovers from slaughter that weren't fit for market consumption.

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Prion Diseases

Just as nucleic acids can carry out enzymatic reactions, proteins can be genes. Reed Wickner.
This document describes infectious agents which (almost certainly) do not have a nucleic acid genome. It seems that a protein alone is the infectious agent. The infectious agent has been called a prion. A prion has been defined as "small proteinaceous infectious particles which resist inactivation by procedures that modify nucleic acids". The discovery that proteins alone can transmit an infectious disease has come as a considerable surprise to the scientific community.
Prion diseases are often called spongiform encephalopathies because of the post mortem appearance of the brain with large vacuoles in the cortex and cerebellum. Probably most mammalian species develop these diseases. Specific examples include:

* Scrapie: sheep
* TME (transmissible mink encephalopathy): mink
* CWD (chronic wasting disease): muledeer, elk
* BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy): cows

Humans are also susceptible to several prion diseases:

* CJD: Creutzfeld-Jacob Disease
* GSS: Gerstmann-Straussler-Scheinker syndrome
* FFI: Fatal familial Insomnia
* Kuru
* Alpers Syndrome

These original classifications were based on a clinical evaluation of a patients family history symptoms and are still widely used, however more recent and accurate molecular diagnosis of the disease is gradually taking the place of this classification.

The incidence of sporadic CJD is about 1 per million per year.
GSS occurs at about 2% of the rate of CJD.

It is estimated that 1 in 10,000 people are infected with CJD at the time of death.
These figures are likely to be underestimates since prion diseases may be misdiagnosed as other neurological disorders.


The diseases are characterised by loss of motor control, dementia, paralysis wasting and eventually death, typically following pneumonia. Fatal Familial Insomnia presents with an untreatable insomnia and dysautonomia. Details of pathogenesis are largely unknown.

Visible end results at post-mortem are non-inflammatory lesions, vacuoles, amyloid protein deposits and astrogliosis.

GSS is distinct from CJD, it occurs typically in the 4th-5th decade, characterised by cerebellar ataxia and concomitant motor problems, dementia less common and disease course lasts several years to death. (Originally thought to be familial, but now known to occur sporadically as well).
CJD typically occurs a decade later has cerebral involvement so dementia is more common and patient seldom survives a year (originally thought to be sporadic, but now known to be familial as well).
FFI pathology is characterised by severe selective atrophy of the thalamus.
Alpers syndrome is the name given to prion diseases in infants.

Scrapie was the first example of this type of disease to be noticed and has been known about for many hundreds of years. There are two possible methods of transmission in sheep:

1. Infection of pasture with placental tissue carrying the agent followed by ingestion,or direct sheep-lamb transmission i.e. an acquired infection.

2. Parry showed considerable foresight by suggesting that it is not normally an infectious disease at all but a genetic disorder. He further suggested that selective breeding would get rid of the disease.

Humans might be infected by prions in 2 ways:

1. Acquired infection (diet and following medical procedures such as surgery, growth hormone injections, corneal transplants) i.e. infectious agent implicated.

2. Apparent hereditary mendelian transmission where it is an autosomal and dominant trait. This is not prima facie consistent with an infectious agent.

This is one of the features that single out prion diseases for particular attention. They are both infectious and hereditary diseases (?see below). They are also sporadic, in the sense that there are also cases in which there is no known risk factor although it seems likely that infection was acquired in one of the two ways listed above.

Kuru is the condition which first brought prion diseases to prominence in the 1950s. Found in geographically isolated tribes in the Fore highlands of New Guinea. Established that ingesting brain tissue of dead relatives for religious reasons was likely to be the route of transmission. They ground up the brain into a pale grey soup, heated it and ate it. Clinically, the disease resembles CJD. Other tribes in the vicinity with same religious habit did not develop the disease. It is speculated that at some point in the past a tribe member developed CJD, and as brain tissue is highly infectious this allowed the disease to spread. Afflicted tribes were encouraged not to ingest brain tissue and the incidence of disease rapidly declined and is now almost unknown.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:53 pm 
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Why is everyone ignoring this? Read it, bastards.

Zad wrote:
Going back to the milk issue, here's an interesting article about it.


since everything and its opposite can be found on the internet, nobody cares anymore... :P

EDIT : same goes with what Aaron posted...


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since everything and its opposite can be found on the internet, nobody cares anymore... :P

EDIT : same goes with what Aaron posted...


The point is that there's a whole subclass of these diseases, called Prion diseases, that are caused by eating the flesh of your own species. So it's not a valid option.

Nyeh.


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T.I.E. wrote:
since everything and its opposite can be found on the internet, nobody cares anymore... :P

EDIT : same goes with what Aaron posted...


The point is that there's a whole subclass of these diseases, called Prion diseases, that are caused by eating the flesh of your own species. So it's not a valid option.

Nyeh.


I don't care, I don't eat flesh of any species including mine...


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T.I.E. wrote:
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T.I.E. wrote:
since everything and its opposite can be found on the internet, nobody cares anymore... :P

EDIT : same goes with what Aaron posted...


The point is that there's a whole subclass of these diseases, called Prion diseases, that are caused by eating the flesh of your own species. So it's not a valid option.

Nyeh.


I don't care, I don't eat flesh of any species including mine...


You eat carrot-flesh. Murderer.

And just because you can find bullshit on the web doesn't taint what is true.


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T.I.E. wrote:
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T.I.E. wrote:
since everything and its opposite can be found on the internet, nobody cares anymore... :P

EDIT : same goes with what Aaron posted...


The point is that there's a whole subclass of these diseases, called Prion diseases, that are caused by eating the flesh of your own species. So it's not a valid option.

Nyeh.


I don't care, I don't eat flesh of any species including mine...


Enjoy your brain-deterioration diseases, cannibal.

Look into a good health plan and you might live an extra few months in eye-clawing agony.

Oh yeah, wink.


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