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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:15 pm 
Eyesore wrote:

It means nothing. It's meant for effect. Why isn't anyone mentioning the racist comments thrown back at him? Is that any different? What were those guys saying prior to his comments? Were they throwing out racial slurs? Ah, no one examines that, do they? Of course not, can't take a look at the opposite side of the coin too much, that would be racially biased or as the media calls it: racist.


it wasn't till after he had called him a nigger and a cheap motherfucker a dozens of times. So he called a white boy, big deal, it's not anywhere near "nigger". It's only natural fight back once you have been pushed too far, and since he called him a nigger he's trying to give back at the same rate. Would you expect him to sit and laugh?

And it has never been custom to throw about with insults in the faces of the audience, unless it was to a more than one person. Sure, making fun of single individual is common, but he's kind of behaviour.

Ppl should learn that, if a white person calls a black man nigger, it has violent and descriminating meaning, due to historical events in the US and South Africa for that matter.

And if you think that's stupid, then it's stupid of Jews to hate nazis as well. There's several types of nazism, some of them are less violent, some nazis has nothing against jews. But due to historical events jews naturally hates nazis, and they don't like when ppl are are raising there arms as if they were "heiling", nor would they like "jokes" about gaschambers "uh, back in the days me and my boys would have had u thrown in gaschamber, you fucking jewish motherfucker!"... and no, i don't like nazis either


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Astaroth wrote:
Eyesore wrote:

It means nothing. It's meant for effect. Why isn't anyone mentioning the racist comments thrown back at him? Is that any different? What were those guys saying prior to his comments? Were they throwing out racial slurs? Ah, no one examines that, do they? Of course not, can't take a look at the opposite side of the coin too much, that would be racially biased or as the media calls it: racist.


it wasn't till after he had called him a nigger and a cheap motherfucker a dozens of times. So he called a white boy, big deal, it's not anywhere near "nigger". It's only natural fight back once you have been pushed too far, and since he called him a nigger he's trying to give back at the same rate. Would you expect him to sit and laugh?

And it has never been custom to throw about with insults in the faces of the audience, unless it was to a more than one person. Sure, making fun of single individual is common, but he's kind of behaviour.

Ppl should learn that, if a white person calls a black man nigger, it has violent and descriminating meaning, due to historical events in the US and South Africa for that matter.

And if you think that's stupid, then it's stupid of Jews to hate nazis as well. There's several types of nazism, some of them are less violent, some nazis has nothing against jews. But due to historical events jews naturally hates nazis, and they don't like when ppl are are raising there arms as if they were "heiling", nor would they like "jokes" about gaschambers "uh, back in the days me and my boys would have had u thrown in gaschamber, you fucking jewish motherfucker!"... and no, i don't like nazis either


Yeah because South Africa and the US are the only racist countries and started the whole slave trade and stuff..................... Jeez man, do you know history past 1960 and Aparthied?


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Eyesore wrote:

It means nothing. It's meant for effect. Why isn't anyone mentioning the racist comments thrown back at him? Is that any different? What were those guys saying prior to his comments? Were they throwing out racial slurs? Ah, no one examines that, do they? Of course not, can't take a look at the opposite side of the coin too much, that would be racially biased or as the media calls it: racist.


it wasn't till after he had called him a nigger and a cheap motherfucker a dozens of times. So he called a white boy, big deal, it's not anywhere near "nigger". It's only natural fight back once you have been pushed too far, and since he called him a nigger he's trying to give back at the same rate. Would you expect him to sit and laugh?

And it has never been custom to throw about with insults in the faces of the audience, unless it was to a more than one person. Sure, making fun of single individual is common, but he's kind of behaviour.

Ppl should learn that, if a white person calls a black man nigger, it has violent and descriminating meaning, due to historical events in the US and South Africa for that matter.

And if you think that's stupid, then it's stupid of Jews to hate nazis as well. There's several types of nazism, some of them are less violent, some nazis has nothing against jews. But due to historical events jews naturally hates nazis, and they don't like when ppl are are raising there arms as if they were "heiling", nor would they like "jokes" about gaschambers "uh, back in the days me and my boys would have had u thrown in gaschamber, you fucking jewish motherfucker!"... and no, i don't like nazis either


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:21 pm 
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Astaroth wrote:
Eyesore wrote:

It means nothing. It's meant for effect. Why isn't anyone mentioning the racist comments thrown back at him? Is that any different? What were those guys saying prior to his comments? Were they throwing out racial slurs? Ah, no one examines that, do they? Of course not, can't take a look at the opposite side of the coin too much, that would be racially biased or as the media calls it: racist.


it wasn't till after he had called him a nigger and a cheap motherfucker a dozens of times. So he called a white boy, big deal, it's not anywhere near "nigger". It's only natural fight back once you have been pushed too far, and since he called him a nigger he's trying to give back at the same rate. Would you expect him to sit and laugh?

And it has never been custom to throw about with insults in the faces of the audience, unless it was to a more than one person. Sure, making fun of single individual is common, but he's kind of behaviour.

Ppl should learn that, if a white person calls a black man nigger, it has violent and descriminating meaning, due to historical events in the US and South Africa for that matter.

And if you think that's stupid, then it's stupid of Jews to hate nazis as well. There's several types of nazism, some of them are less violent, some nazis has nothing against jews. But due to historical events jews naturally hates nazis, and they don't like when ppl are are raising there arms as if they were "heiling", nor would they like "jokes" about gaschambers "uh, back in the days me and my boys would have had u thrown in gaschamber, you fucking jewish motherfucker!"... and no, i don't like nazis either


Yeah because South Africa and the US are the only racist countries and started the whole slave trade and stuff..................... Jeez man, do you know history past 1960 and Aparthied?


what a lame comeback. And yes, but i can't see what you're trying to say. I'm talking about the word "nigger", and ppl began to use it in late 1800, especielly in the US. And that word is linked to discrimination, oppression and violence, so it really doesn't matter if there's other racist countries in the past or now, doesn't change the history of that word.

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dumbass.


why don't u share your intelligence with me, rather than expressing yourself like a 3-years-old?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:15 am 
I'm not saying he didn't screw up. I'm saying that the whole concept of "racism" shouldn't be a part of the argument. He wanted to insult them. Plain and simple. His technique was retarded, but his intentions weren't so malicious.

This has nothing to do with race. This sort of reaction is EXACTLY why racism is such a big issue in this country. There was no racism involved here. You had two groups of people, black and white, slinging racist comments for one reason only, and that reason was not hate.

How come none of you are condemning the "racist" comments from the black people in the crowd? Are they allowed those words because Richards swung first? Hardly. It's just much easier to attack the comments made by the white guy because so many people fear doing the opposite.

But again, there was no racism involved in those comments. It was anger. He was angered by their continued interruptions so he meant to insult them in the most effective way. It was stupid, of course, but it wasn't racist. And anyone here pretending like they've never been angry and purposely pushed that one button that you know would set that person off is lying. We all have done it, we all will continue to do it. It's human nature.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:22 am 
Eyesore wrote:
I'm not saying he didn't screw up. I'm saying that the whole concept of "racism" shouldn't be a part of the argument. He wanted to insult them. Plain and simple. His technique was retarded, but his intentions weren't so malicious.


i can more or less agree on this one.

Eyesore wrote:
This has nothing to do with race. This sort of reaction is EXACTLY why racism is such a big issue in this country. There was no racism involved here. You had two groups of people, black and white, slinging racist comments for one reason only, and that reason was not hate..


I don't undestand. How were they supposed to react when they get that kind of crap thrown in their faces?
And to the highlighted part: eh? so racist comments are not racism, just because there weren't rooted in hate, other than anger? Hate is not nessesary, imo. You can easily be a racist without hating another group. You can descriminate and look down upon other races, believe you're better and all without involving hate, just to make you feel better about yourself, for example.
But i do understand your point. And i also partly agree with it.

Eyesore wrote:
How come none of you are condemning the "racist" comments from the black people in the crowd? Are they allowed those words because Richards swung first? Hardly. It's just much easier to attack the comments made by the white guy because so many people fear doing the opposite.


first of all, Michael had it coming. Second of all, how is "crack-ass motherfucker" and "white boy" racist comments? "crack-ass motherfucker" is just an insult and so is "white boy", he's white but not a boy. It's not racism to call another man a black man, cuz he is black, not deal trying to hide the fact. Of course, doing so, you only highlight the differences.


Eyesore wrote:
But again, there was no racism involved in those comments. It was anger. He was angered by their continued interruptions so he meant to insult them in the most effective way. It was stupid, of course, but it wasn't racist. And anyone here pretending like they've never been angry and purposely pushed that one button that you know would set that person off is lying. We all have done it, we all will continue to do it. It's human nature


it may not be racism as such, but the comments where still containing words and phrases belonging to racism.
Sure, pushing buttons can be fun, but i only push those buttons dealing with a person's personality and not their ethnic heritage. Wheither or not it's better, i don't know :D




anyway... racism is a funny subject. Some ppl like to accuse other ppl for being racists just because they don't agree with them. Heard a funny story about a girl working in a shop, when this black woman came over and wanted to get a refund or what ever it was. But that wasn't possible, but the black woman only had one explanation. " Racist" she screamed so everybody in the shop turned their head, but not only that, the black woman smacked the young girl on the side of her head and ran out of the shop again. So in this case some ppl might think that it was in fact the black woman who was the racist.


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Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a f***ing fork up your ass.


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"You can talk, you can talk, you're brave now motherf**ker. Throw his ass out. He's a nigger! He's a nigger! He's a nigger! A nigger, look, there's a nigger!"


I have no idea what you would fucking call these if not racist. At the beginning I thought too this might be a joke; but as he continued on it became quite clear that he was angry, serious, and being a racist dick. The people were heckling him; its a part of stand up comedy, as anybody who's done more than two shows should know. It doesn't give him the fucking right to yell at the audience, let alone in such a racist manner. And no, the guys aren't right for calling him a "cracker" later; but I do give them credit for trying to reason with him before then. Really, I enjoy a funny racist joke too, but this, sadly, was not funny, nor was it a joke.

To be fair, his apology seems at least a bit sincere, and he looks like he could be just fucked up. But that doesn't excuse his behaviour.


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I agree with Ken, I think he was mad at that particular heckler rather than black people in general. In a sadistic way I thought this video was funny to see someone ruining their career.


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Hehe, yeah, whenever there is a white person being oppressed by minority groups, she shall be there.

Anyway, I agree with Brahm, in that there's really no way you could interpret these comments as not racist, regardless of whether he himself is a racist person or just suffering from a lapse of judgement and being an ass.

In addition, I also agree for the most part with Astaroth: Despite being a honky myself the whole fork in the ass nigger thing is more likely to offend me than the cracker ass whatever. This is for two reasons.

1) Because there is no history of institutionalized racism and violence towards white people in the US, thereby giving anti-black racism significantly more unpleasant resonance with actual events than the anti-white variety.

2) Because I am a self-hating liberal fag. :ph34r:


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It hink Steve Souza and I can agree on this one.

It's a Fabulous Disaster! A nobody comic who no-one gave any thought to after Seinfeld went off the air completely derailing what was left of his career is highly amusing.

EDIT: And if any of you have ever seen his idea of Stand Up Comedy, you'll soon see that the heckles were warranted. He's terrible.


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Astaroth wrote:
leee wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
Eyesore wrote:

It means nothing. It's meant for effect. Why isn't anyone mentioning the racist comments thrown back at him? Is that any different? What were those guys saying prior to his comments? Were they throwing out racial slurs? Ah, no one examines that, do they? Of course not, can't take a look at the opposite side of the coin too much, that would be racially biased or as the media calls it: racist.


it wasn't till after he had called him a nigger and a cheap motherfucker a dozens of times. So he called a white boy, big deal, it's not anywhere near "nigger". It's only natural fight back once you have been pushed too far, and since he called him a nigger he's trying to give back at the same rate. Would you expect him to sit and laugh?

And it has never been custom to throw about with insults in the faces of the audience, unless it was to a more than one person. Sure, making fun of single individual is common, but he's kind of behaviour.

Ppl should learn that, if a white person calls a black man nigger, it has violent and descriminating meaning, due to historical events in the US and South Africa for that matter.

And if you think that's stupid, then it's stupid of Jews to hate nazis as well. There's several types of nazism, some of them are less violent, some nazis has nothing against jews. But due to historical events jews naturally hates nazis, and they don't like when ppl are are raising there arms as if they were "heiling", nor would they like "jokes" about gaschambers "uh, back in the days me and my boys would have had u thrown in gaschamber, you fucking jewish motherfucker!"... and no, i don't like nazis either


Yeah because South Africa and the US are the only racist countries and started the whole slave trade and stuff..................... Jeez man, do you know history past 1960 and Aparthied?


what a lame comeback. And yes, but i can't see what you're trying to say. I'm talking about the word "nigger", and ppl began to use it in late 1800, especielly in the US. And that word is linked to discrimination, oppression and violence, so it really doesn't matter if there's other racist countries in the past or now, doesn't change the history of that word.

Husker wrote:

dumbass.


why don't u share your intelligence with me, rather than expressing yourself like a 3-years-old?


It wasn't meant to be a comeback or an insult just pointing out that all of this stuff started with European colonization of the world.


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leee wrote:
It wasn't meant to be a comeback or an insult just pointing out that all of this stuff started with European colonization of the world.


It's not worth your time. He's convinced himself that the United States is to blame for everything in the world, including things that happened before the US even existed.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
It hink Steve Souza and I can agree on this one.

It's a Fabulous Disaster! A nobody comic who no-one gave any thought to after Seinfeld went off the air completely derailing what was left of his career is highly amusing.

EDIT: And if any of you have ever seen his idea of Stand Up Comedy, you'll soon see that the heckles were warranted. He's terrible.


Yeah I didn't even know he did stand up.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
leee wrote:
It wasn't meant to be a comeback or an insult just pointing out that all of this stuff started with European colonization of the world.


It's not worth your time. He's convinced himself that the United States is to blame for everything in the world, including things that happened before the US even existed.


and you're both wasting your time convicing yourself i think that :rolleyes: Why would i go that far back in time to explain something that didn't ended more than 40 years ago? What happened back then is what black ppl remembers now, since their grandparents ect was affected by that, and not what happened a thousand years ago.
English ppl don't hate danish ppl for raping their woman back in good ol' days a thousand years ago, either.


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The racism thing is totally overblown, get over it, niggahs! [/lame attempt at joke]
I agree with Ken, I highly doubt he's a racist, and I didn't start groaning when I heard his insults, but when I heard the black dude's comeback. Unfortunately in the states every local thing will be totally blown out of proportion just so they can forget for a moment that they're evil motherfuckers to the rest of the world and focus on their own local little problems.

As for racism in Switzerland, I know plenty of people who are fucking annoyed with the influx of italians, slavs, albanians, ecc. Everyone is a little nationalistic, and when you've got a great country to be proud of, even more so. I personally have my own anger towards certain foreigners (mainly italians who like to dis Switzerland and Slavs who spend their time insulting people and getting into fights- these aren't unbased opinions, I've had direct contact with these assholes).

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The racism thing is totally overblown, get over it, niggahs! [/lame attempt at joke]

As for racism in Switzerland, I know plenty of people who are fucking annoyed with the influx of italians...


Well you definetely won't see me coming...
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FrigidSymphony wrote:
The racism thing is totally overblown, get over it, niggahs! [/lame attempt at joke]

As for racism in Switzerland, I know plenty of people who are fucking annoyed with the influx of italians...


Well you definetely won't see me coming...
I am not paying 1 euro to piss in the highway.


hey, it keeps our toilets free from shit splattered all over the walls (unlike every toilet i've seen in italy). And to my knowledge you don't have to pay 1 euro everywhere... for instance on the A2.

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FrigidSymphony wrote:
Dago wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
The racism thing is totally overblown, get over it, niggahs! [/lame attempt at joke]

As for racism in Switzerland, I know plenty of people who are fucking annoyed with the influx of italians...


Well you definetely won't see me coming...
I am not paying 1 euro to piss in the highway.


hey, it keeps our toilets free from shit splattered all over the walls (unlike every toilet i've seen in italy). And to my knowledge you don't have to pay 1 euro everywhere... for instance on the A2.


It's clear that you sir, are close minded bigot when it come to toilets. You should be ashamed of yourself.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Dago wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
The racism thing is totally overblown, get over it, niggahs! [/lame attempt at joke]

As for racism in Switzerland, I know plenty of people who are fucking annoyed with the influx of italians...


Well you definetely won't see me coming...
I am not paying 1 euro to piss in the highway.


hey, it keeps our toilets free from shit splattered all over the walls (unlike every toilet i've seen in italy). And to my knowledge you don't have to pay 1 euro everywhere... for instance on the A2.


It's clear that you sir, are close minded bigot when it come to toilets. You should be ashamed of yourself.


:lol: :lol: :lol: reply of the month...

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