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I thought the sample kinda sucked because it was 96kbps so the drums gave me a headache.


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Azrael wrote:
i checked out their Myspace (linked in your review) because of Zad's recommendation, and it got me interested. the dissonance and the melody blend in together very well.

but is this 100% improvised?

oh, and can you link some of Don Caballero's music?

No, it's not completely improvised, the other sample of Derek Bailey's music is. There are typical Bailey elements though, which is what I was trying to point out in the review.

http://myspace.com/doncaballero


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Here is a sample.


I really don't get it.

Most of the time, me neither, but I like elements of it in more conventional play. I know Rio had played this style, he says fans like the spontanity. I kinda agree with that in the case of Cheval De Frise, but most of Derek Bailey's songs are kinda over my head as well.


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Misha wrote:
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Misha wrote:
Here is a sample.


I really don't get it.

Most of the time, me neither, but I like elements of it in more conventional play. I know Rio had played this style, he says fans like the spontanity. I kinda agree with that in the case of Cheval De Frise, but most of Derek Bailey's songs are kinda over my head as well.


I like a group of people making a massive, spontaneous noise because the energy it creates can be quite amazing, especially if seen live, although it does tend to be more fun for the player than the listener. Normally if the impro is more pensive or mellow then it doesnt hold quite the same attraction for me.

I really do like this Cheval de Frises track, however. Didn't really feel there were any significant musical errors, the jarring alterations in time feel etc worked for me. It's supposed to make you listen and go "hmm what are they doing". This is one of the few free impro tracks I would just listen to for enjoyment. That said, it doesn't sound entirely "free" to me. There seem to be moments where it is preplanned- even if it just saying something like "after a certain amount of time we're going to bring it right down, then I'll come in with a different groove".


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even if it sounds partly planned, i think it's still good.

i mean, if it was 100% made up on the spot there'd inevitably be some bits where they'd have to doodle around aimlessly... right?

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Azrael wrote:
even if it sounds partly planned, i think it's still good.

i mean, if it was 100% made up on the spot there'd inevitably be some bits where they'd have to doodle around aimlessly... right?

Reminds me of Misha Mengelberg's Instant Composer Pool (ICP), his planning was: "for the first 10 minutes of the next concert, we must play absolute shit! Horrible music. After that, we must play well". Hahah, brilliant man! He once lighted a firecracker in his piano when he was invited to play a "solo" :dio:


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I think this is quite good.
Not something i would listen to all the time though.


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