Metal Reviews

It does make it a useless idea if it isnt feasible and actually goes against the heart of what America is.

He never said it was a bad idea, he's saying that its not practical to think that it has even the slightest chance of happening. And you what, he's right.

You and Misha seem to missing the basic point. See note 5 of leee's above post.

wait wait wait, you claim "the europeans" are putting all americans in the same bag, and you go and do the same with the europeans?
also, just because the stuff you mentioned happens in europe doesn't mean all (or even most) europeans agree with it. you can't see me, but i'm rolling my eyes (the MR emoticon just doesn't do my eye-rolling justice).

and i disagree the "if he really wants guns/drugs/whatever he can get it" argument. you can't deny that making certain things illegal doesn't at least help in reducing access to said things. i mean, so i guess we better allow kiddie porn and all that, since it's so hard to control it and paedophiles will get their fix one way or another.

Well, alot of us Americans don't agree with the gun laws. However, we would be extremely naive if we thought that banning guns could EVER happen here. As for your second paragraph, the effect of a gun ban on these kind of instances would be miniscule at best. Then again, it's pointless to argue about it because it will NEVER HAPPEN!!

Can we just stop with the pointless US posters versus European posters bullshit? I think everybody just needs to go get laid or something.

I said "if guns were prohobited", that does not state anything about the process of getting rid of guns, ofcourse Americans don't want to give up their right to shoot people dead.


I'm glad I live here, psychos can't get guns here, so we don't have 11000 people shot dead per year.

Not talking about school massacres alone, if there's an armed buglar in your home, he's more likely to kill someone holding a gun that me doing nothing.


I'm afraid Europe is more free than you think, if I speak for where I live, I'm infinitely more free in the things I might like to do: drinking and tripping than I am in the USA (although I couldn't care so much about the latter). I never noticed anything about movie or music banning either, censorship on Dutch television is far less severe than in the US, we had steve o nail his ball to his leg at primetime, zoomed in, you guys freak over a boob or a middle finger and someone saying fuck. You claim that I don't know shit about America, but it seems that you know very little about what's going on here either, otherwise you wouldn't say that I'm less free than you. Muslims are allowed to wear whatever they want here, still, and being Nazi here will not scare anyone. Prostitution is legal here, as well as mushrooms and cannabis. The only thing the USA is so free about is driving around (it's harder to get a licence here, you have to be able to drive and stuff) and guns. So basically everything you can kill others with.


I like discussion, is that bad?

i realize it's very deep-rooted, but by that mentality no change will ever happen. religion's hold on society and certain, um, social traditions (the womans role, other races, slavery, etc) were well rooted in europe and the USA and still they were eventually eliminated or are being eliminated today.

You ever heard the saying "want in one hand, shit in the other, and see which one fills up faster"? It really applies here.

It would take years of like minded political leadership for any sort of gun ban to even have a chance to get voted on. I'm not saying that I agree with it, I'm just being realistic. The gun control issue is just like abortion. It has become a stalemate. My point is that there is no sense in arguing it anymore. Apparently, you think that makes me apathetic, but I'm just being logical.

There are almost 400 MILLION people living in the US. There's barely 300 THOUSAND living in the Netherlands.

The murder rates—guns or no guns—are comparable. Dead is dead.

i just looked for it on wikipedia and here's the stats per 100,00 people

United States[22] 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.5 5.9 5.9

Denmark 1.09 0.97 1.04 1.20 0.79 0.79

so yeah, 5x+ as many :\

While your comparison in terms of size is still valid there are about 300 million Americans and 16 million Dutch.

I'm glad 30 people died so some people who don't live in reality could make the "What I think is wrong with America even though I'm clueless" thread #2,739,532. I'm convinced half of you never even leave your houses anyways.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation ... -headlines

I'd like to interrupt this by honouring Liviu Librescu, a teacher who gave up his life blocking his classroom door so that his students could escape out the window. It takes balls to do what he did, and he did an honourable and beautiful thing, giving up his life to save so many others.

RIP.

Ohh Ken, you are so smart, saying the murder rates are comparable! how could I be so ignorant as to think there are actually more people in the US!!?? You are sooo convincing that I'm not going to look it up and find out that there are actually almost 4 times as many people murdered (gun or no gun) per capita in the US compared to the Netherlands, and that the amount of people murdered with guns (so excluding gun accidents) is over 10 times higher.

I expected more from you Ken, even though I know you are mentally disabled.

yeah, i saw that on TV. indeed, he showed great courage and selflessness. RIP

is it different from ppl in America discussing problems in the middle east?

anyway, i don't think ppl are speaking their minds upon what's wrong with America. They are just speaking of a solution to the gun problem. As i see it there's 3 solutions; ban guns, a change within the american culture or both. And then there's the 4th solution: more guns. The question is, what's the most efficient/easy way to deal with the problem - nobody said it would be easy, though. But luckely time solves everything (and creates new problems along the way). In 500 years you won't have that problem any longer, don't worry.

anyway... America is not my country, your problem is "self inflicted" and you obviously want to solve it yourself, so i don't care how u solve it, or if you solve it at all.




an honourable man indeed. He was 75 years old.

+1

Your own country doesn't have the toughest gun control laws in the world either and Montreal seems a mecca for shootings, so clean up the house before you start on the backyard.....

It is when the entire point of it is just rile up people with sarcastic comments and when others not as intellgent as yourself use it as an excuse to make dumb ass comments or take yours serious. Something like this just isn't funny anymore then a bunch of arms and legs littering a road in Iraq is.

And yes you are right about the liberalism/openess of the Netherlands but you know what I mean.....

Adam's probably right about the the whole euro/US stuff being stupid, but stop the kneed jerk reaction to our gun laws as being the cause of something like this because it isn't.

Anyways, arguing over, we are turning this into a fox news telecast.......

yeah but the only guy whose been murdered that I can remember in my town got stabbed! so nyeh!!!

apparently the guy shot 2 people in the dorm 2 hours before shooting the 30 people in another building, and classes kept going because security thought it had been dealt with. so 30 of the deaths could have been prevented.