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Also, may be it's the fact that I myself am a Christian, but I think religious hypocrisy is a ridiculously tired topic in heavy music. Seriously, how many songs can you listen to that badmouth religion before you finally grow tired of it? And a lot of these songs are not only completely ignorant about the topic they're protesting, but also seem to neglect the fact that ATHEISTS HURT CHILDREN AND BRAINWASH PEOPLE JUST AS MUCH AS CHRISTIANS. It seems like a lot of bands bash religion just because it's the "cool thing to do" rather than because they're seriously disgusted with it.


It kind of pisses me off, even though I'm not religious myself. My main problem with it, as I've stated before, is that it makes atheists look like arrogant assholes like Richard Dawkins.


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The difference is, bashing Christians works. Glen Benton is awesome for a reason, you know. And I hate to be argumentative, but atheists in my experience tend not so much to be the bitter ex-believer weirdos that Hollywood paints them as, but rather your typical everyday joe. Of course, saying BUT SOME ATHEISTS MOLEST CHILDREN is like saying BUT SOME BLACKS DO STEAL THINGS AND RAPE WOMEN!


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Also, may be it's the fact that I myself am a Christian, but I think religious hypocrisy is a ridiculously tired topic in heavy music. Seriously, how many songs can you listen to that badmouth religion before you finally grow tired of it? And a lot of these songs are not only completely ignorant about the topic they're protesting, but also seem to neglect the fact that ATHEISTS HURT CHILDREN AND BRAINWASH PEOPLE JUST AS MUCH AS CHRISTIANS. It seems like a lot of bands bash religion just because it's the "cool thing to do" rather than because they're seriously disgusted with it.


Heh, i'm against pretty much all forms of middle-eastern desert monotheism (or at least the current manifestations of them), but i actually agree with you on this. There's nothing wrong with rebelling against things that you oppose, but putting too much emphasis on being anti-something doesn't really make much sense. Besides, a lot of the "Fuck Christ!" types of lyrics and statements by BM/DM bands are (as you already pointed out) poorly argumented, devoid of originality and lack conviction.

Although, some bands pull that stuff off great. (np: Nunslaughter - Raid the Convent)


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Glen Benton is awesome for a reason, you know.


Not. He sounds like a pubescent crybaby. Maybe it's all the weed?


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Richard Dawkins.


Ist Krieg.

*Searches for something on Youtube*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wECRvNRquvI

Richard Dawkins SMACKDOWN Bill O'Reilly :dio:


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Mintrude wrote:
Richard Dawkins.


Ist Krieg.

*Searches for something on Youtube*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wECRvNRquvI

Richard Dawkins SMACKDOWN Bill O'Reilly :dio:
If you aren't being sarcastic, I completely agree with you. Richard Dawkins is a critical atheist and he is good at it. Unlike Glen Benton, he says why religion is bad.

Could Deathspell Omega be considered anti-Christianity or just focus their subject matter on satanism?


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i enjoy growls and stuff...but i HATE "time-to-puke-on-the-mic" vocals...that is dreadful


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Saying Glen Benton's not awesome without taking Death Metal into the equation is MISSING THE POINT.


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rio wrote:
Mintrude wrote:
Richard Dawkins.


Ist Krieg.

*Searches for something on Youtube*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wECRvNRquvI

Richard Dawkins SMACKDOWN Bill O'Reilly :dio:
If you aren't being sarcastic, I completely agree with you. Richard Dawkins is a critical atheist and he is good at it. Unlike Glen Benton, he says why religion is bad.

Could Deathspell Omega be considered anti-Christianity or just focus their subject matter on satanism?


Yeah, I definitely like Dawkins. I'd be exagerating if I said he'd influenced the way I see the world to any great extent, but I just like the look of exasperation on his face when people say stupid things.


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Yeah, I definitely like Dawkins. I'd be exagerating if I said he'd influenced the way I see the world to any great extent, but I just like the look of exasperation on his face when people say stupid things.


I won't deny that he can pick apart Christianity pretty well. I just think he comes off a little arrogant, and kind of a stereotypical atheist.


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Saying Glen Benton's not awesome without taking Death Metal into the equation is MISSING THE POINT.


True, and i actually enjoy Deicide's old work a lot. His stoned anti-christian redneck ranting just got old for me really quick. Nunslaughter do essentially the same thing, but somehow they work a lot better for me.


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Personally I don't care what bands sing about, though I tend to favor non-sensical gibberish (be it Demolition Hammers misc violent words pasted together or Mars Volta's misc cool sounding words pasted together). I agree that most bands that have anti-religion songs are doing it for the same reason that practically every thrash metal band seems to have an obsession with being pro or anti war. If the music kicks ass then the lyrics won't bother me, but if the music is boring enough that I start focusing on the lyrics then they might :P


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Could Deathspell Omega be considered anti-Christianity or just focus their subject matter on satanism?


Based on their two interviews, i'd go more with the latter. But i can see how all the theological/philosophical contemplation and religious imagery in their lyrics could be interpreted as a sophisticated form of blasphemy (fighting Christianity with it's own weapons or something like that.)


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Saying Glen Benton's not awesome without taking Death Metal into the equation is MISSING THE POINT.


True, and i actually enjoy Deicide's old work a lot. His stoned anti-christian redneck ranting just got old for me really quick. Nunslaughter do essentially the same thing, but somehow they work a lot better for me.


Fair enough. I'm taking a while to get into Nunslaughter, actually. The album(s?) is pretty hard to find, and I'm not sure I like them enough to start collecting yet.


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Nice cartoon :lol:


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Saying Glen Benton's not awesome without taking Death Metal into the equation is MISSING THE POINT.


True, and i actually enjoy Deicide's old work a lot. His stoned anti-christian redneck ranting just got old for me really quick. Nunslaughter do essentially the same thing, but somehow they work a lot better for me.


Fair enough. I'm taking a while to get into Nunslaughter, actually. The album(s?) is pretty hard to find, and I'm not sure I like them enough to start collecting yet.


Just go for the 3 LP's or the compilations. The countless 7" EP:s are a waste of time if you aren't one of those metal stamp collector types, heh.


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Could Deathspell Omega be considered anti-Christianity or just focus their subject matter on satanism?


Based on their two interviews, i'd go more with the latter. But i can see how all the theological/philosophical contemplation and religious imagery in their lyrics could be interpreted as a sophisticated form of blasphemy (fighting Christianity with it's own weapons or something like that.)


That's what I picked up as well. They sound like they are very well read on theology, almost good enough to write a book. Vaguely I think they kind of suggest that Satan was cast down onto the earth for the truthbringer that he is and is sharing the same fate as us humans, thus he should be worshiped because he brought us the whole pleasures of the flesh and life, sacrificing himself in the process. The first rebel in history. They sound like they take some of the bible and actually believe it and practice it, but are completely blasphemous about the others. A different sort of Satanism, like you said.

They're very intelligent and sophisticated people from what I understand. I'd like to see more interviews with them but.... Maybe with the new album now they will do one.


Traptunderice, if you're interested here is a very in depth analysis of the Si Monvmentvm album if you can be arsed to read it. Mostly focuses on the lyrics and the whole ideaology of Deathspell Omega. A very good and interesting read.

Here be

and here is their most recent and only one of 2 interviews.

https://www.theajnaoffensive.com/newsDe ... ?NewsID=36


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And I thought Ihsahn was pretentious. :rolleyes:

That was an interesting read but I guess I'm just one of the people who listen to black metal for fun. They sound really knowledgeable and are gifted linguistically but I can't buy into it (are you supposed to buy into it?). I am impressed by their ideas and interpretation of Judeo-Christian text, though, and by actually creating a respectable Satanist doctrine (much more than LaVey's bullshit).


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Sounds to me like they actually mean what they say. I usually find Satanism stupid like everyone else but looking from their point of view does put some sense into it, I agree with very little of it however.

They sound like they do practice what they preach, which makes it a bit scary. And it also means that they aren't doing it for the image, since they're widely known now and could have filled the internet with interviews like this and actually could pull it off without sounding stupid, since the guy knows religion better than the Pope and English better than Zad. He he.


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The interview at the AJNA Offensive page sheds some light, but i find the overtly long analysis of SMRC by that one dude very pretentious and beside-the-point.


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