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im fat 190 pounds burn me


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You've all made very good points but if I may I would like to point a few things out about this issue. My parents raised me with absolutely no respect for the addictive nature of sugar. In fact they had me drinking Coke and Pepsi regularly by the age of five. It become my only source of liquid until I turned 33. When I was a freshman in high school I believe I tipped the scales at 200 pounds. I complained to my mother (who was and still is extremely overweight) she had the actual nerve to say, "Oh it's baby fat." can you believe that? My parents were clueless. By my Junior year I decided to turn it around and I lost 70 pounds by the time I began my Senior year. I went from 255 to 185.

Since then I've gone up and down. Life throws a lot of shit your way sometimes and it took nothing for the craving for sugar to return. So, I'm now 38 years old and I'm weighing in at 285. At my age I hope to get down to between 200 and 210. I think that would be a respectable goal.

Unfortunately, this country throws junk/crap food at you on every damn corner!! Is it the fault of those companies like McDonalds and others? Not completely. We could make better decisions. People need to make a decision to change their lives. Not diet. Change their lives. You have to become physically active everyday and you have to change how you view food. You have to learn how to eat to live not live to eat. To me it's no different than being addicted to anything else like alcohol, cigarettes, ...etc.

So my wife and I just began working hard. I hope to be 85 ponds lighter in 8 to 10 months. Wish us luck.


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Good luck man. I need to get rid of this belly as well. I signed up to a gym this year but I was too much of a chicken shit to go. I smoke and drink and eat all kinds of junk.

This year I'm going to change it all. Fuck it, I am sick of feeling tired every moment of my life.


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if i weren't so lazy i'd post that video with the 222 pound 7 year-old girl. ick!

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Ive been trying hard to lose weight for a couple years now. Ive basically cut out all candy/chocolate stuff, havent actually bought candy and the like for years now. For awhile there I had problems with cookies at work seeing as how I dont have to pay for em, they just give the old ones to me, like 15-30 at a time and are like "here you go, eat up" it takes alot of strength to say no to 30 free cookies. Anyways, I've recently kicked that habit as well, I've come to learn I love eating cucumbers dipped in Subway's fat free honey mustard.. so if I crave a snack at work, I go for that.. I eat a shit ton of salads now, love salad.. The last junky thing I need to get rid of is my pop addiction, I havent found an inexpensive healthy drink I love as much as pop (does such a thing exist?). So yeah, its all been working pretty good so far and combine healthier eating with DDR workout mode and Im dropping the pounds pretty good.

In elementary school I was a pretty skinny kid, but by grade 6 the over eating started to kick in. Just like Raven I had parents who just threw food at me. My mom's idea of a meal was what some people have told me is enough to feed 2/3 people at a time. And I had to eat it all or get into trouble, I dont like getting in trouble, so I ate it and I grew up with that mentality that all meals were of that size. A couple years ago I confronted her about this and she basically told me how poor she used to be and couldnt afford food for my sister, brother and me as a baby since she was a single mother with 3 kids and thus when she got the money, she went crazy with it and always overcooked, making sure we were well fed, she went to far obviously, but its fine, Im down to about 230 from like 270 last year. Its slow goin, but at least its goin.


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Silent Man..that's awesome man! You're obviously working on it. Keep it going. I spent tons of time with my grandfather growing up ( my mom's dad) and he grew up during the Great Depression. He always felt the same way. He would fill your plate for 2-3 people because he didn't know when he would have food again when he was growing up. Plus he ate tons of stuff like white potatoes, bread, and just pounds of pasta because it would fill him up. It was cheap too. He passed that on to my mom and of course the apple doesn't fall far...right?

I dealt with the guilt too. I think at one point they had me eating 5 meals a day. I would get breakfast, lunch, and then my grandfather picked me up from school. He would prepare something for me. Then my mom would pick me up from his house on her way home from work. She would be hungry for some kind of snack on the way home and always bought crap for me after I told her I wasn't hungry. Then it was home to dinner. I felt like shit all the time.

You'll find your replacement for soda/pop. It took me 3 years to get away from soda. I can now finally drink just water all day. If anyone needs inspiration watch the movie Super Size Me . Three books which are great are Fast Food Nation, Sweet Deception, and the Glycemic Index Book. Sweet Deception deals with the scary crap in artificial sweeteners. Anyway all of those will scare anyone into eating better for life. Plus the movie just scares the hell out of you to the point where you'll never ever even think of eating fast food again. However they're all damn informative.


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I myself am at a healthy weight. 6'1" and 171 lbs. But I also eat generally healthy foods and exercise regularly. That, however, doesn't mean I'll never eat fast food or anything like that. I tend to get either fast food or pizza once or twice a week. Usually during my lunch break at work. I think what people need to realize is that McDonald's isn't some nefarious Hellish place, where eating there just one night will guarantee you an instant heart attack the next day. Anything in moderation is perfectly fine, unless you desperately need to lose weight. And seriously, stressing out over what you eat is just as unhealthy as actually eating these things once in a while.


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What's especially interesting is that, back in the 40's/50's, being fat was a symbol of wealth. Because people figured that, if you were fat, you could afford to eat a ton of food. Thus, many actually believed being "overweight" was healthy. Nowadays, it's the exact opposite. Being fat is actually a symbol of poverty, because fatty foods are generally cheaper and more accessible than healthier foods, so a lot of poor people basically live off McDonald's and Burger King (I know because I went to college in Detroit, where there were a lot of panhandlers on campus). And it's considered about the unhealthiest thing next to smoking.


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Seinfeld26 wrote:
I myself am at a healthy weight. 6'1" and 171 lbs. But I also eat generally healthy foods and exercise regularly. That, however, doesn't mean I'll never eat fast food or anything like that. I tend to get either fast food or pizza once or twice a week. Usually during my lunch break at work. I think what people need to realize is that McDonald's isn't some nefarious Hellish place, where eating there just one night will guarantee you an instant heart attack the next day. Anything in moderation is perfectly fine, unless you desperately need to lose weight. And seriously, stressing out over what you eat is just as unhealthy as actually eating these things once in a while.


Great points. I'm not attempting to say that if you step inside a McDonald's that you balloon up to 400 pounds and have every kind of cardiovascular disease you can imagine. Even in Super Size Me they admit that eating in moderation (reasonable portions) and infrequently at the golden arches (or any fast food) won't kill you. You just can't make fast food your main source of nutrition. The US has fast food on every damn corner and the size of the meals are just ridiculous. That's my issue with fast food, well, other than all the shit they actually make the food with, how they treat their employees, what happens to the animals they make the food from, and how terrible the conditions are for any slaughter house employee.


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I'm actually losing weight, slowly. I used to be 87 kgs, and I'm 5'9". The last I checked, I'm at 82 kgs now. It must have been all the tiring training I did for the football tournament last weekend.

By the way, speakin of the soccer tournament, I'm officially the most ill disciplined Indian guy in campus. We had to play 2 matches in the group stages. We lost both, but it doesn't matter. The first game, I got a yellow card for a clumsy tackle. Fine. The second match, we were against the juniors. Football is rough, big deal, we're guys. But the juniors complained and one of them started playin dirty. He started nibblin from the back and purposely stepping on our feet. I got cheesed off and sounded him, and he just grinned. The next thing he knew, he was dribbling pass my midfield, feeling so proud of his achievements. I lost my temper, ran all the way from my left flank and flew a few feet (imagine Cantona's flying kick). Both my studs landed on his ankle, and he screamed like a whore. Then all the juniorguys invaded the pitch, and there was a small junior-senior brawl. I headbutted the keeper, and was sent off the field by the referee. But I couldn't just leave the field like that raight? So I spat at the referee. And now the final year seniors are labeled rowdies, and Senior Pathma (that's me!) is the most ill disciplined guy. So I guess I won't be scoring with any of the junior girls.


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I have the luck of resembling the most to the part in my family that is almost never fat. I can eat pretty much what I want and not gain (much) wheight. However, i do a lot of sports and shit, plus i drink mostly water.


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i eat as much as i can get my hands on. However, I don't eat a whole lot of things like chips, Mac Donald and the likes, candy, cake etc etc - i always feel like crap afterwards. And i try to avoid eating food with too much fat in it, except for pizza.. yummy.

My goal is to weight 75-80 kgs someday, and i'm only 5.5 feet tall (1.67 m).. right now i weight around 66-68 kgs... and no... i don't want to gain 10 kgs of fat... mucles!!!



anywho... how is the food culture in America in reality?
You always hear how your food sucks and how unhealthy it is. My dad went to America this summer to work and he absolutely hated the food there, since it was impossible to get non-fried/fat food, and since he wasn't able to get danish food, i guess... on "resturants" that is, which i pointed out to him, it's not necessarily how it ppl eat in private.

I'd say that ppl in general here in my country are very happy about healthy food. But also very happy about high quality products and non-mass produced products, particular when it comes to stuff like beer :P ... i feel sorry for those ppl, who buy frozen dishes and beefs on cans.. yuack!... not only is it disgusting, there's no protein/vitamins/carbs or what so ever in it. Ppl are also happy about experimenting with foreign dishes and spices. But all this is something that has happened the recent years. My grandmother makes old-school danish food which is absolutely great, my mom makes even better food - she also experiments from time to time when she has the energy, sometimes the experiments sucks ass, though - American spare ribs kick ass.. But now that i live on my own i get crap... but still more healthy than most ppl do. Patatoes, salat and beefs and such... yummy.

btw... i don't understand how the rest of the world can live without brownbread :blink: it tasted absolutely great, especielly when fresh and there's alot of types... yummy... i would hate to replace that by white bread.


a final note: a saw a food program the other day about a pretty woman who travels to different countries to taste the food. In Japan it is apparently normal to spend more money on food than house rent :blink: how k3wl is that? You also saw how some farmers treated their livestock. They walked about while they talk to their cattles, gave them massage and last but not least, they gave them beer!! it is supposed to be the best and softes meat ever :wub: ... the woman/journalist looked like she got an orgasm when she tasted the meat :lol: .. she was moaning alot too


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Having the physique of a model while still eating whatever the hell I like is so awesome.


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I've got some extra fat which I could do with out, but it's not really noticeable and I'm comfortable with my body. I am however starting to work out a little, just to build up some muscles.

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6foot 2 inches and 163 pounds. Is that fat? :huh:


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Silent Man, that's some willpower right there in turning down 30 free cookies. Also, try flavored water as a replacement for soda. I can't actually tell you how the tastes compare, because I've only ever drunk water all my life (don't ask me why, I just hate liquids that have a taste, with the exception of an occasionall hot chocolate in the winter) but I've heard from people that it's a pretty good substitute.

Astaroth, the food in America is ridiculous. Your dad was right in that it's almost impossible to eat healthily if you don't cook for yourself, and even then, you've got prepackaged foods which are just as bad for you as deep-fried stuff. The only things I eat anymore are whole veggies, fruits, tuna fish and this cereal that consists only of bran flakes and flax seeds and tastes like cardboard. The amount of additives even in foods that purport to be healthy is ridiculous; all those "health food" frozen dinners do is give you less food, the food itself isn't that much different than regular frozen foods. Not to mention all that crap makes the food taste funny, which I hadn't even realized until I spent time in London and Helsinki back in January. I never realized that packaged cookies could actually taste good, but they can.

Not to mention that there's a lot of areas of the country that focus on food as "family time", and eating things which, if we were all still laboring in the fields, would be excellent fuel for a hard day's labor. Unfortunately, the new realities of life haven't quite caught up with the culture, so places like the south (mostly poorer states, and, if you notice, the fattest states according to that article) and Midwest still feed everybody really heavy, fatty foods. Not that corn-fed Iowa beef isn't delicious and I wish I had some right now, but you won't find a whole lot of soy or non-potato dishes in those areas.

Zad...you're a great guy, but seriously, go talk to a psychiatrist about this fat people thing you have. Being fat has nothing to do with a person's personality or qualities of character. My mom is overweight, through a combination of lousy genetics (which is the other reason I eat the way I do) and several chronic and incurable illnesses and the lingering effects of old injuries. She also is one of the only people in her family to have a college education (BA in zoology), which she paid for entirely on her own via student loans. She's never been in credit card debt, was a lab tech in research labs for many years, and is now a jeweler specializing in beading and lost wax casting. She also raised me, so obviously she must be doing something right (I blame any and all insanity on my part to a natural predisposition and the treatment I received at the hands of my classmates who decided that, since I was the fat kid in elementary school, said fat had to be derided off me).

Basically, either everyone has to become terrified of additives in food, the entire food production industry has to change, or our whole national attitude toward food (re: family, bonding, etc.) has to change to see any reversals of this trend. Also Zad needs to calm the hell down.


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Zad...you're a great guy, but seriously, go talk to a psychiatrist about this fat people thing you have. Being fat has nothing to do with a person's personality or qualities of character. My mom is overweight, through a combination of lousy genetics (which is the other reason I eat the way I do) and several chronic and incurable illnesses and the lingering effects of old injuries. She also is one of the only people in her family to have a college education (BA in zoology), which she paid for entirely on her own via student loans. She's never been in credit card debt, was a lab tech in research labs for many years, and is now a jeweler specializing in beading and lost wax casting. She also raised me, so obviously she must be doing something right (I blame any and all insanity on my part to a natural predisposition and the treatment I received at the hands of my classmates who decided that, since I was the fat kid in elementary school, said fat had to be derided off me).

Basically, either everyone has to become terrified of additives in food, the entire food production industry has to change, or our whole national attitude toward food (re: family, bonding, etc.) has to change to see any reversals of this trend. Also Zad needs to calm the hell down.


Hmph. I'm not denying that there are certain obese people out there that are essentially decent human beings. One of the nicest guy I knew was very overweight due to a digestive disorder. It doesn't change the fact that I tend to view the obese with a horrified dread, exactly why I've no idea. I blame this 'big is beautiful' rubbish that's being promoted for many "big" people being as they are. A little ridicule might induce change, as it did you, no?

Maybe it is some deep-seated childhood thing. I was less than serious earlier in this thread with the 'shoot fat people' stuff, in case you thought I'd gone loco.


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Zad...you're a great guy, but seriously, go talk to a psychiatrist about this fat people thing you have. Being fat has nothing to do with a person's personality or qualities of character. My mom is overweight, through a combination of lousy genetics (which is the other reason I eat the way I do) and several chronic and incurable illnesses and the lingering effects of old injuries. She also is one of the only people in her family to have a college education (BA in zoology), which she paid for entirely on her own via student loans. She's never been in credit card debt, was a lab tech in research labs for many years, and is now a jeweler specializing in beading and lost wax casting. She also raised me, so obviously she must be doing something right (I blame any and all insanity on my part to a natural predisposition and the treatment I received at the hands of my classmates who decided that, since I was the fat kid in elementary school, said fat had to be derided off me).

Basically, either everyone has to become terrified of additives in food, the entire food production industry has to change, or our whole national attitude toward food (re: family, bonding, etc.) has to change to see any reversals of this trend. Also Zad needs to calm the hell down.


Hmph. I'm not denying that there are certain obese people out there that are essentially decent human beings. One of the nicest guy I knew was very overweight due to a digestive disorder. It doesn't change the fact that I tend to view the obese with a horrified dread, exactly why I've no idea. I blame this 'big is beautiful' rubbish that's being promoted for many "big" people being as they are. A little ridicule might induce change, as it did you, no?

Maybe it is some deep-seated childhood thing. I was less than serious earlier in this thread with the 'shoot fat people' stuff, in case you thought I'd gone loco.

No more than I would be really serious if I threatened to stab you in the neck for insulting me or my family.

By the way, so glad to hear you approve of my years of self-loathing and misery.


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No more than I would be really serious if I threatened to stab you in the neck for insulting me or my family.

By the way, so glad to hear you approve of my years of self-loathing and misery.


Well now... I wasn't actively being offensive and threatening the slightly more rotund members of the forum. So please don't take it like that.

And of course I don't approve of your years (years?) of self-loathing and misery, been there myself for different reasons. Was just pointing out, somewhat facetiously, the upside.


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