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Anyway, this thread has veered way too much off topic. Let's get back to discussing movies.

So, I'm renting The Dark Knight from Netflix. How does it compare to the original Batman movie?


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Anyway, this thread has veered way too much off topic. Let's get back to discussing movies.

So, I'm renting The Dark Knight from Netflix. How does it compare to the original Batman movie?

It's way better.


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SO LIKE I WATCHED HALLOWEEN RESURRECTION AGAIN AND THE GINGER GIRL STILL GOT THEM OUT

HAY GUYS TALKING ABOUT FILMS IS FUN MIRIGHT?


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SO LIKE I WATCHED HALLOWEEN RESURRECTION AGAIN AND THE GINGER GIRL STILL GOT THEM OUT

HAY GUYS TALKING ABOUT FILMS IS FUN MIRIGHT?


Sometimes.


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Religious beliefs aren't comparable to skin color, right? One is a choice that one should expect to defend while the other is a shade of a spectrum that shouldn't even be noticed or recognized.


I was just pointing out that discrimination against either trait qualifies as "prejudice." The same holds true for discrimination against atheists.
It's not prejudice. I don't hate people for being christians. I hate christians for submitting to a religion which I feel ruins the world, in a nutshell. No time to elaborate.



The anti-Christian crowd are just as full of shit as the opposite end of the spectrum; anyone that claims they know about the what the origins (or what they are NOT) of the universe / life / death / the world are, are full of shit. Period.
Most people can barely manage their own lives, let alone "have it all figured out".

That being said, do you harbor the same feelings towards Muslims and Orthodox Jews? What about Hindus? What do you think of the Nation of Islam?
Or are you... whats the word I'm looking for... discriminating?
I'm going to side with Frig and say that I make no positive pronouncements about the universe etc.

I don't dislike Islam insofar as it can be an emancipatory group. However when people submit to it ignoring human rights it's a little disheartening. Hinduism and Judaism really don't bother me. The Nation of Islam, i.e., Malcolm X not really Farrakahn, was pretty awesome. They were willing to say what MLK said but was ignored for. MLK became very anti-statist yet that's whitewashed out of history nowadays. MLK's dream wasn't about being tolerated it was about living in a country which he had a stake in.



Selective hate, then. Just as I thought.
Next. the NoI is a racist organization, but according to typical liberal thinking, racism is just fine when it is directed towards Whites... self-loathing must really suck.
Funny how the only ones expected to be "colorblind" are those of European heritage.

BTW, a lot of things about MLK are "whitwashed" out of history nowadays.

So, the "human rights" abuses, like stoning rape victims, is " a littel disheartening", eh?

hahaha.
Malcolm X was being racist when he said whites were physically oppressing him? Yeah, a lot of what the Nation preaches is racism but I was mainly approving of Malcolm X. I don't self loathe since I don't describe myself as white. I'm a human being and race doesn't exist. However, if you think blacks are inherently inferior which you seem to basically do whenever we argue about this you may want to disassociate yourself with that.

Yeah MLK did get whitewashed into something acceptable to conservative middle class white America when actually the guy wanted to overthrow the whole business and do it right, ie: create a country where people are truly equal as opposed to being simply tolerated.

As for Islam and human rights, it is disheartening to see a religion with the possibility of being open-minded and productive in challenging western discrimination and oppression being tainted by sexist power hungry whack jobs. Stoning women and targeting Israel prevents the masses of the Middle East from looking at the real problem of their leaders selling their people's possibility of a good life for their own personal wealth paid for by the West.

Edit: The Dark Knight is awesome. I bought it last night actually. I'd go rent Batman Begins first if you haven't seen it though. It's not necessary but it'll make it a better viewing I'd imagine.


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traptunderice wrote:
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Religious beliefs aren't comparable to skin color, right? One is a choice that one should expect to defend while the other is a shade of a spectrum that shouldn't even be noticed or recognized.


I was just pointing out that discrimination against either trait qualifies as "prejudice." The same holds true for discrimination against atheists.
It's not prejudice. I don't hate people for being christians. I hate christians for submitting to a religion which I feel ruins the world, in a nutshell. No time to elaborate.



The anti-Christian crowd are just as full of shit as the opposite end of the spectrum; anyone that claims they know about the what the origins (or what they are NOT) of the universe / life / death / the world are, are full of shit. Period.
Most people can barely manage their own lives, let alone "have it all figured out".

That being said, do you harbor the same feelings towards Muslims and Orthodox Jews? What about Hindus? What do you think of the Nation of Islam?
Or are you... whats the word I'm looking for... discriminating?
I'm going to side with Frig and say that I make no positive pronouncements about the universe etc.

I don't dislike Islam insofar as it can be an emancipatory group. However when people submit to it ignoring human rights it's a little disheartening. Hinduism and Judaism really don't bother me. The Nation of Islam, i.e., Malcolm X not really Farrakahn, was pretty awesome. They were willing to say what MLK said but was ignored for. MLK became very anti-statist yet that's whitewashed out of history nowadays. MLK's dream wasn't about being tolerated it was about living in a country which he had a stake in.



Selective hate, then. Just as I thought.
Next. the NoI is a racist organization, but according to typical liberal thinking, racism is just fine when it is directed towards Whites... self-loathing must really suck.
Funny how the only ones expected to be "colorblind" are those of European heritage.

BTW, a lot of things about MLK are "whitwashed" out of history nowadays.

So, the "human rights" abuses, like stoning rape victims, is " a littel disheartening", eh?

hahaha.
Malcolm X was being racist when he said whites were physically oppressing him? Yeah, a lot of what the Nation preaches is racism but I was mainly approving of Malcolm X. I don't self loathe since I don't describe myself as white. I'm a human being and race doesn't exist. However, if you think blacks are inherently inferior which you seem to basically do whenever we argue about this you may want to disassociate yourself with that.

Yeah MLK did get whitewashed into something acceptable to conservative middle class white America when actually the guy wanted to overthrow the whole business and do it right, ie: create a country where people are truly equal as opposed to being simply tolerated.

As for Islam and human rights, it is disheartening to see a religion with the possibility of being open-minded and productive in challenging western discrimination and oppression being tainted by sexist power hungry whack jobs. Stoning women and targeting Israel prevents the masses of the Middle East from looking at the real problem of their leaders selling their people's possibility of a good life for their own personal wealth paid for by the West.

Edit: The Dark Knight is awesome. I bought it last night actually. I'd go rent Batman Begins first if you haven't seen it though. It's not necessary but it'll make it a better viewing I'd imagine.


You don't get it, seriously.
Race doesn't exist? Than how can racism exist? Only stupid, guilt ridden liberals believe that little catch phrase of "we are all the same race; the human race"... ahhh, how cute. Every other group is aware that yes, there are different races, and yes, they have differences. There are not many groups more ethnocentric than blacks, every thing is race this, race that... blah blah blah...
why do blacks have their own beauty pageants, their own award shows, their own colleges, their own TV networks, if "we are all the same race"? Why is there Affirmitive Action? Why is there an NAACP? Why is Obama hailed as the first BLACK president, and such a big fuss was made about breaking down RACIAL barriers?

Two words: Prof. Gates. So, a cop is doing his job, and the cry is racism... how, if race does'nt exist? Especially when two out the three present officers are not even white?

I never said blacks are inherently inferior.
Your comprehension skills need to be honed up a bit. Is this what passes for college material these days? Scary.
I said (in a nutshell) that they as a group have a ways to go in living up to what all those that marched and fought for a couple of generations ago... Bill Cosby said the same things, yet, since it is coming from a white male (if we are all the same race why is it racist when someone with white skin points these things out, but not when someone with darker skin does the same?), it is "racist"... more typical liberal hypocrisy. And facts are facts: no sub-Saharan African nation has come close to approaching the level of civilisation that Europe, Asia and Latin America have built. You can blame it on this and that, but those are merely excuses. Like saying that Shaquille O'Neal is only good at basketball because he is tall, fast and can put the ball in the hole, and others are not because they do not possess those traits.
Is it fair that Shaq was born with these traits, while others are stuck in a pointless job selling shoes? That's life, neither fair, nor unfair.
At least I'm not a coward afraid to tell the truth.


Not gonna take the bait, though, son, because you'll just whine to the mods and I'll get chastised and ostracized and you'll have your Pyhrric victory, and frankly you're not worth the trouble.

As for the HYPOCRISY in hating Christians while summing up Islam as:

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well, I guess that figures.

And with that, I take my leave from this whole pile of steaming shit, before it gets ugly.


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And facts are facts: no sub-Saharan African nation has come close to approaching the level of civilisation that Europe, Asia and Latin America have built. You can blame it on this and that, but those are merely excuses. Like saying that Shaquille O'Neal is only good at basketball because he is tall, fast and can put the ball in the hole, and others are not because they do not possess those traits.

Your analogy doesn't work because in a basketball game the two teams are competing on a level playing field, but not all areas of the world are equally hospitable for civilization.


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And facts are facts: no sub-Saharan African nation has come close to approaching the level of civilisation that Europe, Asia and Latin America have built. You can blame it on this and that, but those are merely excuses. Like saying that Shaquille O'Neal is only good at basketball because he is tall, fast and can put the ball in the hole, and others are not because they do not possess those traits.

Your analogy doesn't work because in a basketball game the two teams are competing on a level playing field, but not all areas of the world are equally hospitable for civilization.


Again, you are not getting it... I am not talking about teams, I am talking about individuals.
I cannot compete in the NFL or the NBA, is that a"level playing field"? Should those institutions make exceptions to make it more "fair"?


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You can compete at basketball; you're not good enough to compete in the NFL or NBA. Are you even saying anything? First you talk about sub-Saharan Africa's inability to develop as complex a civilization as other parts of the world, then you're talking about individuals.

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why do blacks have their own beauty pageants, their own award shows, their own colleges, their own TV networks, if "we are all the same race"? Why is there Affirmitive Action? Why is there an NAACP? Why is Obama hailed as the first BLACK president, and such a big fuss was made about breaking down RACIAL barriers?

Because not everyone looks at race the same way trapt does?


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You can compete at basketball; you're not good enough to compete in the NFL or NBA. Are you even saying anything? First you talk about sub-Saharan Africa's inability to develop as complex a civilization as other parts of the world, then you're talking about individuals.


Read! I was alluding to the usual excuses; i.e. outsider exploitation of resources, etc. in regards to the reasonong why Africa is in such dire straits, how it is due to the unfair practices of European colonists, etc...

THE POINT, put simply, since you seem unable to engage in abstract thinking is this: life is not equal... some are better at some things than others, that's life.

And, nice try by both you and trapunderice in goading me into another one of these five-front attacks where I come out the bad guy, by bringing up past arguments, but I am not taking the bait.


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You can compete at basketball; you're not good enough to compete in the NFL or NBA. Are you even saying anything? First you talk about sub-Saharan Africa's inability to develop as complex a civilization as other parts of the world, then you're talking about individuals.

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why do blacks have their own beauty pageants, their own award shows, their own colleges, their own TV networks, if "we are all the same race"? Why is there Affirmitive Action? Why is there an NAACP? Why is Obama hailed as the first BLACK president, and such a big fuss was made about breaking down RACIAL barriers?

Because not everyone looks at race the same way trapt does?


Well, it was addressed to trapt, now wasn't it? Did I sa everybody shared the same views as him? No.


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but not all areas of the world are equally hospitable for civilization.

One final thing, just for clarification; sub-Saharan Africa has plenty of fertility; the evil white colonists made a go of it, didn't they? So how is that even a valid excuse?
S. Africa, Zimbabwe, Haiti... all were very well utilized while colonized, and more civilized... hehe I sound like Johnny Cochrane.


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You can compete at basketball; you're not good enough to compete in the NFL or NBA. Are you even saying anything? First you talk about sub-Saharan Africa's inability to develop as complex a civilization as other parts of the world, then you're talking about individuals.


Read! I was alluding to the usual excuses; i.e. outsider exploitation of resources, etc. in regards to the reasonong why Africa is in such dire straits, how it is due to the unfair practices of European colonists, etc...


So why is it in such dire straits then?


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As for this entirely unproductive area of discussion, if anybody wants to debate me via PM, I'm game, this thread is not the place for it.

Any public responses will henceforth be ignored by your's truly.


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You can compete at basketball; you're not good enough to compete in the NFL or NBA. Are you even saying anything? First you talk about sub-Saharan Africa's inability to develop as complex a civilization as other parts of the world, then you're talking about individuals.


Read! I was alluding to the usual excuses; i.e. outsider exploitation of resources, etc. in regards to the reasonong why Africa is in such dire straits, how it is due to the unfair practices of European colonists, etc...


So why is it in such dire straits then?

I never said I had the answers, just stating what I have observed.

But if I had to make a guess, I would say that different climates led to different paths of evolution; not that one is superior to the other, but Europeans and some Asians had to be inventive in finding means of shelter and food (long hunting expiditions as opposed to your food lounging in the brush a few meters away); necessity being the mother of invention.
Europeans have this hard-wired into their brain and, subsequently, their culture. Knowing this and seeing the resources in Africa being largely untapped, they saw the oppurtunity, and exploited them for themselves.
Not wrong or right, just the way things are.
I am not talking about slavery, as that was (and still is) a common practice long before white man came.

See my post above.


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So anyone seen White Men Can't Jump? I've heard it's a pretty good movie.

The only thing I have against Christianity is spreading the gospel/proseletyzing (sp?) btw


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So anyone seen White Men Can't Jump? I've heard it's a pretty good movie.


Bah, Blacula was better.


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The only thing I have against Christianity is spreading the gospel/proseletyzing (sp?) btw


Agreed. That is annoying as Hell.


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The only thing I have against Christianity is spreading the gospel/proseletyzing (sp?) btw


Agreed. That is annoying as Hell.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JHS8adO3hM


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Anyone else seen this guy describing this God thingy? It's quite interesting I'd say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr5lY0TcdAw

Speaking of films. I'm getting quite into the mood for Dogma after reading this thread. :wink:


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