traptunderice wrote:
Goat wrote:
If someone chooses to use their sexual appeal to sell themselves, then you as an independent observer have no right to stop them. I'd rather live in a society where someone selling themselves through their body is permitted rather than a society where it's banned. Ideally, yes, she'd sell through musical talent, but just because being sexy is her only talent doesn't mean you have to get all authoritarian on her ass.
Not complaining about her having the right to do it. Complaining about how we have a society who eats it up and basks in it not realizing that she isn't just a cooch and tits. She obviously has no voice. I never said she should be stoned. Her audience should be.
frig wrote:
No more overt thank Mick Jagger or Axl Rose grabbing his crotch. What the fuck, guys.
This is exactly what I meant. Jagger didn't dress like a prostitute when he did this. We live in a phallocentric society where Jagger makes women bow down to his pelvic thrusts while her "where's your dick at" is welcomed by men who are basically if that's how you're going to be I'll take some. There's a difference between the worship and exploitation.
Assuming that Jagger's pelvic thrusts aren't being welcomed by his female fanbase with the same intensity that the men welcome Ke$ha-esque dancing. You've relegated the female role in the bedroom into this alcove of limiting idealization and perverse feminism. It seems like the ideal situation for women is for them to be physically ignored in a sexual context, or for them to never be grabbed or moved somewhere forcefully in bed, when many, many women will tell you how much they actually enjoy having someone take control.
What you're missing is that "taking control" is in no way exclusively linked to the standard male-female relationship, thereby depriving it as a concept of any inherent moral value as fare as gender roles are concerned. You're issuing a judgment call without taking into consideration things like personal quirks, fetishes, psychological mindsets, fantasies, etc.
Ke$ha is merely expressing a heretofore unorthodox attitude for women in the mainstream pop scene to take. Talking about using men or comparing them to accessories ("Boots & Boys") probably isn't welcomed by many men.