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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:30 pm 
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Also a huge :huh: at Megadeth not being a thrash band. That's like saying Metallica aren't a thrash band because of Load - the problem people have with them, and Megadeth, playing this sort of music instead of thrash is that they're so bad at it. We know Dave can be a good songwriter when he's focusing on riffs and hooks (and I'd disagree and say that the past few albums have plenty of hooks) but the songs here are just not well written or suitable for this line-up whatsoever. Inspired? Reallllllllly?


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the problem both Megadeth and Metallica have is they are no good at playing the poppish metal style they're shooting for with albums like this but they can't go back and play thrash because they've forgotten how it's done. Add to that that the bands they inspired are generally superior to them in terms of talent and one has to wonder would we even remember Metallica or Megadeth if they weren't amongst the founders of thrash?


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Zadok wrote:
Also a huge :huh: at Megadeth not being a thrash band. That's like saying Metallica aren't a thrash band because of Load - the problem people have with them, and Megadeth, playing this sort of music instead of thrash is that they're so bad at it. We know Dave can be a good songwriter when he's focusing on riffs and hooks (and I'd disagree and say that the past few albums have plenty of hooks) but the songs here are just not well written or suitable for this line-up whatsoever. Inspired? Reallllllllly?

They no doubt have a number of thrash tunes, but even from the beginning a lot of their tunes were just straight up heavy metal. Same with Metallica.

And I don't think they're bad at playing this more rock/heavy metal style. My favorite album by them is Youthanasia. Nothing thrashy about that one and it's brilliant. Countdown to Extinction and Cryptic Writings are also quite good.


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RelentlessOblivion wrote:
the problem both Megadeth and Metallica have is they are no good at playing the poppish metal style they're shooting for with albums like this but they can't go back and play thrash because they've forgotten how it's done. Add to that that the bands they inspired are generally superior to them in terms of talent and one has to wonder would we even remember Metallica or Megadeth if they weren't amongst the founders of thrash?


In many ways I agree with this post.

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They no doubt have a number of thrash tunes, but even from the beginning a lot of their tunes were just straight up heavy metal. Same with Metallica.

And I don't think they're bad at playing this more rock/heavy metal style. My favorite album by them is Youthanasia. Nothing thrashy about that one and it's brilliant. Countdown to Extinction and Cryptic Writings are also quite good.


I also agree with this one!

In fact any good Thrash band has generally mixed some straight heavy metal into the mix e.g. Overkill, Artillery, even Kreator in later days.


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Since thrash started as a sort of fusion between punk and the NWOBHM wouldn't it be fair to say that incorporating more of the traditional metal sound is just feeding more of the NWOBHM influence into the sound then? I also disagree about the better bands being better because they infuse more of their influence into their sound. I personally think a bands worth isn't based on how much of one thing is in their sound but by the quality and consistency of their albums. In that respect I would say Megadeth is superior to Metallica having produced more quality over the years (though I'm not overly fond of what they were doign between Rust In Peace and United Abominations


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Relentless Obliviion, your points makes perfect sense whereas mine was in fact complete gibberish in hindsight.

Call it result of sleep deprivation!

I too am more of a Megadeth fan than a Metallica one, even when it comes to their earlier stuff.


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of the first four releases by Megadeth and Metallica the only one I prefer to the coinciding Megadeth release is Master Of Puppets over So Far, So Good, So What? Again though if Metallica and Megadeth were offering those albums during the peak of thrash instead of in its infancy I wonder if we'd view them in such a lofty manner. Picture Ride The Lightning being released at the same time as Pleasure To Kill and Darkness Descends and Metallica is a distant third, Peace Sells wouldn't fair much better I don't think. It's fortunate for the big four that they were amongst the earliest thrash bands because what followed them is in my opinion of a much higher standard.


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I don't know exact dates, but Peace Sells came out in '86, same year as Pleasure to Kill and only a year before Darkness Descends.

Don't know what I'm trying to prove honestly, just saying.


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I'm not good on dates either but I have a good excuse, I wasn't even born when those albums were released, point still stands I prefer the bands Metallica and Megadeth inspired over the music they made generally speaking


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A terribly unfortunate album. I'm all for any sort of Megadeth, as long as it has some heart behind it.

Dave seems to have lost whatever it is that gave him that drive, or energy to his songs. United Abominations was a move in the right direction... There's lots of aggression and excellent riffs on the record... But ever since it's all been downhill.

Love the crap out of them but this shit is on par with St. Anger or something. Pretty droll. I'd like to see them stop making records or at least take a hiatus... But I bet we see another so so album in two years.


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Love the crap out of them but this shit is on par with St. Anger or something.


That's a bit drastic.

Risk was St Anger level IMO.


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As I said with the exception of the odd song here and there I haven't liked anything Megadeth have done since Rust In Peace, I bought Th1rt3eN because I heard Never Dead and expected the whole album to be like that. I will never buy this album or any other new release from Megadeth they aren't worth it.


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dead1 wrote:
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Love the crap out of them but this shit is on par with St. Anger or something.

That's a bit drastic.

Risk was St Anger level IMO.

You two clearly don't appreciate how absolutely abysmal that album is. Super Collider and Risk are STUNNINGLY BRILLIANT compared to the festering pile of audio shit that is St. Anger.


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