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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:00 pm 
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Ah yes, another love em’ or hate em’ group for which veritable epic battles will be waged against or in defense of them.


yep, well. I love them. Im thinking alot of people here are trashing them because of their "popularity".


They suck because they suck, not because they're popular.

People who hate them just have to spend more time trashing them as a result of their popularity, and this is where that stupid arguement comes from.


For me, bands like this are just evolved metalcore. Maybe someday we'll get something truly amazing, but until then the best to be found is elsewhere....


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Ah yes, another love em’ or hate em’ group for which veritable epic battles will be waged against or in defense of them.


yep, well. I love them. Im thinking alot of people here are trashing them because of their "popularity".
They're popular? o_O

Good to see metalcore kids are liking things other than total crap now I guess


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Ah yes, another love em’ or hate em’ group for which veritable epic battles will be waged against or in defense of them.


yep, well. I love them. Im thinking alot of people here are trashing them because of their "popularity".
They're popular? o_O

Good to see metalcore kids are liking things other than total crap now I guess


They're not that popular.


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They are pretty popular among metalcore kids. Revered, even.


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While it's a progression from other metalcore crap like Hatebreed, I still can't listen to records such as this and be annoyed by the feeling that I've heard it a thousand times before. mind you, it's good to see some metalcore bands aren't just pushing the basic, generic sounding songs ad nauseum. Pretty soon I think people will tire of hearing aggro band after aggro band, and will want something more melodic, or at least a little more progressive. And I think this album shows that maybe this clogged-up metal/hardcore scene is yearning for a bit of progress.


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this album is killer , 85/100 for me


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The reviewer spent most of his time on the band's concept. Which is to create music that "add" and all over the place. It's enough to drive a sane person insane. But that's the point. That is what they aim to do with their music. Did they not acheive the concept? Or were you judging the concept and not the band?

We have a lot of bands that follow the same old form of slowly building up a tune with seamless transitions, etc. Isn't it refreshing to have something different for once.

Would they get a higher score if they followed the rules and copied a black metal band or thrash band?

Metal is so stagnant because most of the fans make up rules the bands must follow.


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The reviewer spent most of his time on the band's concept. Which is to create music that "add" and all over the place. It's enough to drive a sane person insane. But that's the point. That is what they aim to do with their music. Did they not acheive the concept? Or were you judging the concept and not the band?

We have a lot of bands that follow the same old form of slowly building up a tune with seamless transitions, etc. Isn't it refreshing to have something different for once.

Would they get a higher score if they followed the rules and copied a black metal band or thrash band?

Metal is so stagnant because most of the fans make up rules the bands must follow.


I think the point of the review is that the band set out to do what they achieve, ie, distill most of the metal and hardcore world into songs with bad transitions, and it just so happens that the CD isn't very good.. 69's still a respectable score, anyway, I rated this much lower.

Besides, there's always something new, at any given moment. I'd rather pin my hopes on bands that can actually write songs, or at least new music.


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sinkdrain wrote:
The reviewer spent most of his time on the band's concept. Which is to create music that "add" and all over the place. It's enough to drive a sane person insane. But that's the point. That is what they aim to do with their music. Did they not acheive the concept? Or were you judging the concept and not the band?
the concept is interesting, but they pull it off mediocre at best and have way too much boring metalcore in their sound
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We have a lot of bands that follow the same old form of slowly building up a tune with seamless transitions, etc. Isn't it refreshing to have something different for once.
So you're saying you don't like transitions? Why not queue up a playlist of all different types of metal and hit next track ad nauseum then...

There is a lot of bands doing new things that are actually doing them well. take Maudlin of the Well's Bath or Ephel Duath's A Painter's Palette. Those two bands blend many different styles, transition them so perfectly it sounds like they've been doing it for years and in the end are actually rewarding to listen to. Between the Buried and Me just sound like a bunch of different styles glued together randomly (not that even this is a bad thing if done right, since I'm a big fan of Dillinger Escape Plan's Calculating Infinity).
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Would they get a higher score if they followed the rules and copied a black metal band or thrash band?
Probably from me at least. They're pretty talented but their style switches are poorly done and the metalcore parts are boring.


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Calculating Infinty > Anything by BtBaM

Fuck me, that album's insane...


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Spiral Architect > all modern tech bands


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Spiral Architect = Ear candy. It's fun to listen to them because how absurdly technical they are, but that's it. It's wankery for the sake of wankery... amazing wankery though.


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Spiral Architect = Ear candy. It's fun to listen to them because how absurdly technical they are, but that's it. It's wankery for the sake of wankery... amazing wankery though.

We seem to be reversed on DEP and Spiral Architect.


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Spiral Architect owns! I remember the first time I heard them I thought, Wow its sounds like they just got together and started playing radom crap. It took me probably ten listens to get into them.


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I listened to Spiral Architect's album once, was like 'damn they're good', put it on my mp3 player and never listened to it again unless a song popped up when i was on random =\

Generally when I want something technical I'll listen to Meshuggah, Zero Hour, Dillinger Escape Plan or Ion Dissonance; since they're technical and know how to write songs and/or be fast and angry.


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Radical Cut wrote:
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Spiral Architect = Ear candy. It's fun to listen to them because how absurdly technical they are, but that's it. It's wankery for the sake of wankery... amazing wankery though.

We seem to be reversed on DEP and Spiral Architect.


Taste, taste, taste...


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:55 am 
I agree 100% with Jaden. The review is a good review, however if there was no such thing as a genre, this album would have scored higher. As the review states, they are talented musicians, and they can write good songs. that should be all that is required of a good band.


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I agree 100% with Jaden. The review is a good review, however if there was no such thing as a genre, this album would have scored higher. As the review states, they are talented musicians, and they can write good songs. that should be all that is required of a good band.


Songs? I didn't notice any songs here. I noticed two-minute segments of riffs, ideas, and general what-have-you plundered from other bands juxtaposed with other two-minute segments of the same sort, that ended after a fashion, but I did not note any songs.


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Andy wrote:
I agree 100% with Jaden. The review is a good review, however if there was no such thing as a genre, this album would have scored higher. As the review states, they are talented musicians, and they can write good songs. that should be all that is required of a good band.
I won't argue those two facts. But I will say that they do waste a lot of their talent playing chug-a-chug yell-along metalcore.


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I like both Spiral Architect and Dillenger Escape Plan, although neither is a favorite. Spiral's bassist is a joy to listen to.


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